67exec Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 @James, the resistance is set on all but my 60. My daily drivers are both in the erm style modcrate cases and mod resistance is set at .032 on both as they both gave a .04 reading. On the 250 and 75c my triton coil reads .316 cold at 74f in watts but in tc the 75c shows .537. If I resample, it stays the same. If I switch back to watts profile from 316, and resample it goes back to .493-.537 w/o touching the tank. Headed to work, be back around noon central Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 hours ago, 67exec said: and mod resistance is set at .032 on both as they both gave a .04 reading. Are you sure, or perhaps missing an extra '0' in there for mod resistance. On ALL my mods in use (7), I think my highest for mod resistance is .007 checked 2 different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67exec Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Yeah, don't always get exactly what I mean on the phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67exec Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 I checked the tcr on my 75c and 250, Both have the same. Both are .0032 mod resistance. 75c shows room temp at 82f, 250 shows 81f. Put ammit with a .81ohm coil on the 250, shows .811ohms. Put it on 75c and fluctuates from .809 to .811ohms. Set the 75c to 55w preheat to 365f, and 30w power with 405f. Took a vape and weak as heck, took a few more pulls and no change. Put it on the 250 punch at 7 power 30w, temp 405f, took several pulls and perfection. Put back on 75c and ended up with temp set to 520f to get the same vape. Btw the fluctuating ohms must be just with my melo3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonski Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'm pretty sure I should be replying here due to lack of knowledge but just to chime in with what I am seeing . I applied the SP24 and now it is reading the coil pretty much dead on and it is not asking 'Old / New' if left idle for a while . But , I need an extra 100F to get a proper vape . 420F before SP 24 now I need 520F . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Could you save and attach your settings .ecig file? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Still weird results If i set my resistance manually to 0,334 i get the same results as on my other DNA´s - if i use the measured resistance it is ignoring my power settings (20W) and bouncing around the Preheat power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 @Lowbytes, what do your other DNAs read? Also, what is your preheat punch set at? (I am guessing 11?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 0,36 Ohms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 vor 14 Minuten schrieb James: @Lowbytes, what do your other DNAs read? Also, what is your preheat punch set at? (I am guessing 11?) Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67exec Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 So, after 3hrs of using the 75c on sp24 with my ammit, I have the temp down to 420f to get a similar vape to my 250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 @Lowbytes, could you attach your .ecig file? I am wondering if your material curves are somehow off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Here we go! lowbytes1.ecig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67exec Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 75c ss316.ecig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonski Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, James said: Could you save and attach your settings .ecig file? Thanks! Done Jonski.ecig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 @Lowbytes, out of curiosity, what is V2ASteam? Is this the same curve you are using on other devices? It is not SS316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) vor 2 Minuten schrieb James: @Lowbytes, out of curiosity, what is V2ASteam? Is this the same curve you are using on other devices? It is not SS316. Yes - using the same curve on the others! Of course ist no ss316 (V4A) i´m on SS304 (V2A) Edited July 27, 2017 by Lowbytes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embe71 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) vor 7 Stunden schrieb Jonski: I'm pretty sure I should be) replying here due to lack of knowledge but just to chime in with what I am seeing . I applied the SP24 and now it is reading the coil pretty much dead on and it is not asking 'Old / New' if left idle for a while . But , I need an extra 100F to get a proper vape . 420F before SP 24 now I need 520F . Same here. Either I have to up the temp or manually have to up the ohms (to a higher value than it actual is) to get the same vape as with my Therion 166 (using a Therion 75C). Reading cold ohms and stability is fine though. Attached e-cig-file: Using Profiles 1-4 with SS316-Coils (Kayfun 5 and OBS Engine). Michas Therion 75C.ecig Edited July 28, 2017 by embe71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank65 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Same here . Even if new SP24 took an improvement , "smoking feeling" is still somehow low . But I think you are in the right direction ... My ecig ,SS316L profile 8, Therion 75C 34_sp5_fw24.ecig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonski Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just to add, for me it is the Therion 75C and the Serpent SMM with SS316L . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndb Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Reporting back after having a chance to better test SP24 on two different mods / atomizers. MODS: Evolv reference 75C / Therion 75C ATOMS: Kayfun 5 with a ~0.86 ohm SS316L / Serpent SMM with a ~0.68 clapton 26/36 SS316L (more on this later....) My initial impressions remain confirmed: ohm reading seems on par with the other DNAs (200, 75). Swapping atomizers between mods gave consistent and repeatable results. Also, I was finally able to perform cotton burn tests, which I couldn't do before SP24 as it seemed like the 75C was completely cutting off power with a dry coil, and this has given me the opportunity to get interesting results with the Serpent SMM (see below) VAPE QUALITY: Kayfun 5: it is now performing as I was used to, good vape at ~390F on both the ERM and Therion, no need to crank up the temperature. Just a tiny hint of pulsing (confirmed by device monitor) when chain vaping and hence forcing temperature control to engage more aggressively, don't know if this is still being investigated... Serpent SMM: There's something here, but it turned out in this case it didn't depend on the mod nor on the atomizer itself... Despite cold ohm being read quite correctly as ~0.679 (0.68 / 0.682 on a DNA200 / 75), the vape was anemic and I had to crank the temperature up to ~510F. And this seemed particularly resonating with @Jonski post. The fact is that, at least in my case, it was performing poorly on the DNA200/75 too. Being able to do a cotton burn test, I found out that cotton actually singed at ~515F when using the SS316L profile from steam engine (which roughly corresponds to a 0,000828 TCR). Iterating on the cotton burn test, I found that a TCR ~0.00108 was giving cotton singing at 410F so I used that value and the Serpent started to work as expected. Now, it's entirely possible that my clapton wire is actually not 316L, or it might be that for some reason the coil mass makes the nominal TCR unsuitable (although that doesn't really fit with my understanding of how temp control works) and of course I'm not saying that this is what's happening to everybody with a Serpent SMM, but there's a good chance that fancy wire with high thermal mass is being used in the Serpent SMM, and so I'd first make sure that everything is OK on the TCR side of things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embe71 Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I also use SS316L Claptons exclusively (26/32 AWG) and can confirm that though the cold resistance is now read fine on my Therions (75C), the vape ist very weak and the temp control kicks in far too early. But: On my Therion 166 (DNA 250) these coils work fine while on the Therion 75C they don't. Either using single coil (about 0,5 ohm) on an Kayfun 5 or double coil (about 0,25 ohm) on an OBS Engine. The wire is from Coilmaster so it's SS316L for sure...It doesn't make a difference if I use a steamenginge curve for SS316L or the built in material for SS316. Edited July 31, 2017 by embe71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherif_Moris Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Sorry for the newbie question, what is the exact internal mod resistance for the Therion 75C, is it 0.004 as default or should I change it? I couldn't run the escribe test correctly. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndb Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sherif_Moris said: Sorry for the newbie question, what is the exact internal mod resistance for the Therion 75C, is it 0.004 as default or should I change it? I couldn't run the escribe test correctly. Thanks Yes, I checked with a copper plug and it's pretty much spot on ~0.004. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherif_Moris Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, ndb said: Yes, I checked with a copper plug and it's pretty much spot on ~0.004. I wonder why DJLSB mentioned in his review that it is 0.0081? I don't have a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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