Lanzarotechris

@asmcriminal Yes, I tried come "fancy" coils but ralized rather quickly that that was a waste of time (and power and liquid) ;-) But some "not so very fancy" coils are still interesting... like "simple" claptons, Tiger, twisted and so on... Saw some nice vids about coils too... learned that 2 strains of 0.2 are better than 1x 0.4 for example... But mostly I use 304 or 316 round wire... but I am still experimenting in that area... My typical vaping setup settled around 0.3-0.5 ohms and 30-50 watts, RDAs a little bit higher raund 50-60 watts. I look mainly for taste, clouds I don't care much about. Thats why I'm still unsatisfied with my attys... I really expect more out of them. Well, there are so many variables in that ... maybe its the coil, or the settings, or the wicking, or even the liquid... who knows ? About replay... try for yourself... use the monitor and see if you can create the same identical graph in replay... I doubt it... it will be always different. In TC you have a straight line for the Temp when puffing, in Wattage you have a straight line for the Watts, but in Replay its always different.

@asmcriminal I think you shouldn't have to quote my complete last entry 😉 Its just waste of space... maybe try to quote the details you're referring to instead ? I'm using a modified theme too... more control options, 1°C steps and so on... 0.1 steps is something I never understood why they implemented it in the first place... its just stupid 😄 But I started (like most people I guess) by using the mod "out of the box" so I didn't look what was activated and what was not... first error 🙂 Then I was a little confused as it worked very differently than my Therion DNA75, which I use most of the day (and since over a year). I thought they're supposed to be "equal" as they are from the same company... just that the new 250C would be more "sophisticated", but in general the same. But the vape was even with the same settings somewhat different. Then I got lost in the settings... And believe me, even something "simple" like having found a decent vape, and then activate/deactivate one single function can make a huge difference. So now I stopped to compare the 75 with the 250C, and started to set the values in a systematic way, so I can undo it. Looks like you really have to get used to the new device... I got the Triade just less than a month ago, so I am still working on the details I guess. But I think to open this posting was a good idea, as shure many people may struggle with the amount of different settings too. I switched to SS coils a while ago, as I love TC. Still get some dry hits when using a RDA on the non-TC mods (like my Desire 166 squonker) or when using a kanthal/Ni80 coil. But most of my atomizers are running SS now and I really see no negative point. Its fast, its nice to work with it and its cheap. For wicking I use muji pads, as they are easy to handle and to cut. No problems with them, they last quite long (depending on the liquid of course) and no "foreign" taste from it. But for some unknown reason I still get the best taste out of my first atomizer, the Aromamizer V1 (dual coil, 0.33 ohm with a SS304 0.4 mm round wire). Great throat-hit, great taste... which makes me wonder as I own also some quite expensive atomizers like the Tsunami GT3 and the GT4. Also a Das Tank Ding clone and a Corona V8 clone. But they all lack the great taste everyone labels on them. Maybe I didn't have found the right combination of coils/wicking/settings for them yet. Wasn't prepared to do a 2-year university degree on it... Well,... at least I have a hobby now *lol* Last words to your last part of your post: Replay is NOT temp mode. Its totally different I have learned. Watched some interesting YT vids about it, but the most informative was in german, so sorry... Well, the guy compared some puffs in the device monitor to proof it... and he's right. To make it short,... noone even can properly explain what replay does. You may know this YT guy called DJlsbvape or so.... he used an oscilloscope and couldn't explain it, and he's quite good in the field of electronics. Replay measures the resistance from the batteries, the cables, the chip and the 510, and adjusts the output accordingly to the saved puff and that a few dozen times per second... there are some "hidden" settings in escribe where you can acutally see the "background noise" and even that goes into the calculations. And the measurement is up to the 8th digit behind the dot ! So its really really sophisticated ! Temp control on the other hand is just a simple graph of the change of the ohms when the metal is getting warmer. Thats all known values and simple to implement. But replay is not only another ball park, its another game completely. When it would be the same, then replay wouldn't work only in TC but not in wattage mode, right ? Yes, it only works with temp coils, but it can even work with Ni80 ! And I never got a Ni80 coil that would be accepted in TC mode on any of my devices. Also mixed material coils work with replay, like SS316 wrapped with kanthal. I just wish the next improvement will be TC for kanthal 😉 That would be great ! Don't know why they didn't have implemented it yet, but when the chip already calculates with 8 digits it should be possible... Well,... we will see... maybe in the next version of the DNA250... ???

So, its a mesh tank, do you use mesh as coils or do you have wire coils in it ? And you have ss316 with 0.112 ohms. Question is, is it mesh or (dual-)coil ? (because you say coils)... If its mesh then you need a higher wattage, as there is so much cotton in between (I have an Iris Mesh RDA, so I know about that problem). Not shure what happens when you record replay with 35 Watts and then raise it to 75... could be that replay will ignore the higher wattage because it will re-create the recorded puff with 35 watts ? Maybe switch it off, then do some puffs (with fresh juiced coils) with the 50 watts you use in the moment and then re-activate replay. I also found out that replay and TC are not great in working together, as the different goals (keep the temp vs. keep the last puff) are confusing the replay function working properly. So, try to get a good puff in wattage mode, then activate replay. And pls post the info about what coil(s) you are using. That's quite important to find a solution. BTW: Also it can help if you can mention some details about your experience in vaping in general (as you talked about another mod that only uses temp.) How long do you vape, build coils, etc... so we can get a better picture. A pro pos picture... if you have one of the coils maybe... 😉 Everything that can help finding a solution... settings etc... screenshot... Thanks !

@asmcriminal I thought I mentioned it somewhere... quite in the beginning of this entry. When I activate different functions (preheat/boost/punch/TC/...) the vape changes so it is "not worth" to be re-played. And yes, the different functions and their playing together is indeed confusing. Especially when: a) you don't know what they do, b) there is no "real" value (like watt or temp) to them but only some kind of bar and/or value from 1-11, who noone does know what it means either. so... my thought was to get this explained so I can make (at least) an educated guess what will happen when I change value "X". BTW: Today I found out that REPLAY is quite sophisticated in the way it measures and works. There even is a "hidden" function in escribe which shows some additional values, and makes some additional settings available. I think I will not go further into it here, as it is complicated enough. Maybe I can tell more when I get to the bottom of it, so I don't tell shit about stuff I don't understand yet. In the moment I try out some ideas that I got here from the forum-members (thanks again to all for the tips and explanations so far). It looks fine so far, I also have to make some new coils for some atomizers (learned more in-depth about that too over the last days) so I am still working to improve my vaping experience. But to answer your question: Hard to say... mostly the taste gets "flat" and I have to raise the wattage (or preheat or boost...), or its too hot and boils my liquid, and when I fiddle with the settings I get lost and all was for nothing, and then there is nothing to save and re-play. As I said,... too many options with unknown effects. With my "old" mods like Therion DNA75 (without the C) or the Reuleaux 300 or the eVic AIO 75 I have max. 2 settings to keep track of: Watts and/or Temp. With the new DNA250C I have Watts, Temp, Boost, Punch, Warmth, and what else there is... And that made me a little bit P/O, as I am not a bloody newbie, but its hard to understand it when there is no documentation or explanation for some settings/values. But we're getting there, that's for shure ;-) (NEVER give up ! ;-) So, thanks for joining the conversation ! What are your experiences ? At which point do you get lost ?

I struggle with the different settings too,... maybe you read this post and join the conversation ? https://forum.evolvapor.com/topic/70412-how-to-set-up-a-dna-properly/ Seems like the same problem we are already discussing there...

Thats what I like to archieve too. But I am not yet at the point where I can record and re-play that perfect vape. It's still work in progress. I really like to get to the point of "fire and forget"... but for that I first have to find the right settings. That's why this post is not called "How to set up replay properly". I still fight with the other settings. Replay is at the end of that process. But interesting that people still bring it up, even when the discussion is about the way to get there, to get that great vape that is worth to replay it over and over again. Its not correct to say replay does everything for you... You still have to find the right settings and then you can record that puff to replay it. And then of course there are people who don't care and just want to vape and don't look for details how to refine it. OK, some people also don't care about the food they eat. I do, and then you always end up in details and nuances and things get complicated or technical. I don't care about the hussle, I like to archieve the optimum. Not only in vaping, but in general. When there is a possibility to make something better, I like to at least try it. Does everyone have to do it ? No. But I think I am not the only one who don't likes things "standard" or they way they are when you get them "out of the box". If it can be better with the available resources, why not go for it ? And if the tool/device has many options to manipulate settings, I try to get the best out of it ! That of course includes a lot of time, trying, rebuilding, re-setting, reading, understanding, questions and trying again and again. Otherwise I would use a 5,-€ one-way vaping device from the gas-station and not a 150,-€ mod and some 130,-€ atomizers.

And I want a perfect vape 😉 I guess that's the little differences in life... It's like cooking. You can just throw anyting into a pot, or you can take a little more time and do it perfectly. The result can be a big difference. But when it is ok for you, don't bother. Noone will force you to do something. Have a nice vape ! 😉

Hast du mal "bottomfeeder" in das such-feld oben rechts eingegeben ?

you're absolutely right ;-) But to elevate you to our level of discussion,... we were talking about the effects of TC, Preheat, Boost and Punch and some other options which changed the outcome of that vape.

Ok, got that, thanks 😉 I use some theme from this webpage... dunno the name, let me check... Clean-Color-Black-ONE-WATT-2_4.ecigtheme ... which is quite detailed. On the REPLAY tab I have switches for: Available, Ready and Active, and a slider for Warmth. On the PREHEAT tab I have a switch for Enable, a Power setting in Watts, a Target Temp setting in °C, and a Preheat/Punch slider. Sorry, my mistake that I did not mentioned that I don't use the basic/standard theme.

hehe, THAT never will work with me,... I have a special sense for little details 😉 But if you have said something like it is calibration related I could live with that. But I guess I should try stop comparing the DNA75 with the new C-models. (But it was so easy to handle and to set up... still my favourite, except for the battery problem) https://forum.evolvapor.com/topic/70404-therion-dna75-outer-battery-not-discharging-how-to-fix-it/ And what about the slow monitor software ? any thoughts on that ? Until the version before, it was flawless... Got a ubuntu upgrade too last week, but as the windows version is also laggy, that could not be the reason. It just stops measuring after a minute or so, and then I have to wait for 1 or 2, and then it stops again after a couple of minutes... Hard to work with, as I have to constantly wait for the right moment to make the puff... About the "about me" page.. its in your profile... on the main page you get the activity view and on top of it there is a 2nd "tab" called "about me". I filled it out right after the registration, but it seems noone can see it, which is a little bit silly, right ? With a right-click on it I get this link : https://forum.evolvapor.com/profile/211019-lanzarotechris/?tab=field_core_pfield_1 looks like this:

One last thing about the device monitor: Since I got the latest versino installed its so slow and stuck always. I have literally wait for a minute or 2 for it to un-freeze. I run it primarily on latest ubuntu linux, but also have a parallel installation on WIN8.1, and both behave the same. Its quite un-usable this way ! Any fixes on the way or any work-arounds ? Also the readings on the same atty are different when connected with my DNA75 or the DNA250. The ohms are not identical for example (0,182 vs 0,174)

@Chris Musampa Thank you chris, that sounds promising ! I will try that this weekend and will come back to you with my conclusions. Only detail I am missing: What are the ohms that your setup is comming out with ? You forgot to mention that 😉 I normally build around 0,3 ohms and vape around 30-50 watts, depending on atty, mod, juice and mood 😉 My hardware is: 1x18650 mod 75 W, a dual cell Therion DNA75, a Reuleaux RX300 (4x18650) a Desire 166 squonk mod (2x18650) and now the Triade DNA250C. From the atty side: 2x single coil RTA, 5x dual coil RTA, 3x dual coil RDA, 1x mesh RDA and on transit from china is another dual coil RDA and a single coil RDA. So I guess I am quite flexible what I can set up 😉 My main interest is in flavour, not in clouds (I guess I'm too old for that kiddy stuff) 😉 As I said, I will try all tips I got here this weekend. Thanks again for your help ! Have a nice day !!!

@Wayneo I will try this on the weekend. If it works then its the answer I was looking for... a simple systematic way to set new coils/attys up ! Wasn't my plan to complicate things. But I wonder why this kind of answer wasn't given from the beginning ? BTW: As I was clicking around in the preheat section, I discovered that sometimes I can change the preheat temp and sometimes I can not. Can't remember exactly what the circumstances were, but I will keep an eye open if it happens again. Any idea to that ? BTW2: What is this related to ? Which terms did I use wrong ? (not that I want to excuse for being a foreigner, but you never finish learning something new, right ?) And I always try to explain things as detailed as possible to prevent confusion and missunderstandings...

Thanks a lot... I was really missing the 2nd setting as I use an external charger. Any idea why the different curves on the monitor, or why the ohms are different ? Like I said: same atty, same settings, only different mod (DNA75 vs. DNA250C). The ohms should be identical, right ? (and yes, I have had let them cool down) BTW: just a thing about the forum navigation... where can I and others see my "About Me" page ? I can't see it if I don't log in (external visitor like), but I can also noone's page too (I chaecked a few members pages and there is no lik to "About Me". Is it only for the staff or what is its function ? I thought it would appear for at least forum-members who are interested and visit my profile page.