"Throttling"

[pw82]

Been running the test firmware with SS316L TC for a few hours with no temp protect messages, would normally have had several by now. Will post an update in a day or 2 after more extensive testing.

Thanks for trying to fix this for us, replay is nice but not what I bought a DNA mod for.

[DMAN]

Probably unconnected, but I had a similar problem using Replay. The power kept switching off and on through the vape. It was jumping all over the place.

It only happened with the one atty, so I knew it wasn't the board.

The atty was the Vandy Vape Triple 2, so a fairly crowded deck with 3 coils. I had carelessly added an extra wrap to one coil.

I removed the extra wrap and all was good.

[joeblowma]

Well, to update... going by the puff counter it took 729 puffs before I hit a "throttling" message, at 886 now with no recurrence. Keep in mind I had gone over all the soldering as a first attempt to find a solution, with this version of the theme (I customized gauges to have some different default fields and to re-link the info icon on the main screen to the graph screen) I'm using now I was getting as many as 4 in 10 puffs interrupted with rare longer gap of 20-30 puffs with no issue. Because of that 1 puff I can't say it's 100% fixed, but for me at least it's far far better.

[iLLNESS]

2 minutes ago, joeblowma said:

Well, to update... going by the puff counter it took 729 puffs before I hit a "throttling" message, at 886 now with no recurrence. Keep in mind I had gone over all the soldering as a first attempt to find a solution, with this version of the theme (I customized gauges to have some different default fields and to re-link the info icon on the main screen to the graph screen) I'm using now I was getting as many as 4 in 10 puffs interrupted with rare longer gap of 20-30 puffs with no issue. Because of that 1 puff I can't say it's 100% fixed, but for me at least it's far far better.

I agree that it is better, but it's certainly not fixed. 

[digitalerik]

On 11/5/2018 at 10:50 AM, James said:

If you are encountering the issue mentioned in this thread -- spurious Temperature Protetected messages when using a high-CPU theme like Gauges, with a low-Tcr material [, and possibly, high Preheat settings... any of these three could cause the problem on their own, but it's much less likely] -- when using Temperature Protection but not Replay, and would be willing to try an experimental firmware, give one of these a go:

https://downloads.evolvapor.com/DNA250Color_v1_1_SP38_US_test.sw-service (US Edition)

https://downloads.evolvapor.com/DNA250Color_v1_1_SP38_INT_test.sw-service (International Edition)

This won't help if your problem is related to your 510 connector or electrical grounding.

Anyway, let me know how it works for you, if you run into any new bugs, etc. Thanks!

Is there any fix for the 75c? My 75c has the exact same issue.  I just applied this pack to my 250c, we'll see how it goes. Thank you.

[NateHevens]

UPDATE! So I was having the issue most with my Innokin Ares.

I just used the Ares for three days and only hit temp protection once. I did also get a "check atomizer" warning, but I have no clue what caused that.

I now have my HugsVape Lotus on with a dual-coil 30awg SS316L simple round wire build ohming out to 0.9361, and I'm vaping it at 480*F and 40W with the airflow set to half open. Now, I've only been using it for a few hours, but so far, I haven't hit temp protection at all. I'll update again in a few days, but for me it does indeed seem to be fixed...

[Darkstar_]

Interesting thread.

So it seems that the themes actually make things worse?

I've had the temp protect issue all evening and never once linked it to a theme. Going to try the firmware posted here to see if that helps.

 

[pw82]

17 minutes ago, Darkstar_ said:

Interesting thread.

So it seems that the themes actually make things worse?

I've had the temp protect issue all evening and never once linked it to a theme. Going to try the firmware posted here to see if that helps. 

 

I think it was a false correlation, but we had no real info from evolv on what the actual issue was. Playing with themes never had an impact on the occurrence of the error for me.

Side note, 9 days since installing this service pack and i've had zero temp protects.

[joeblowma]

50 minutes ago, pw82 said:

I think it was a false correlation, but we had no real info from evolv on what the actual issue was.

I think he added a bit of info on that beta test firmware post at some point after, noticed late last night...

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spurious Temperature Protetected messages when using a high-CPU theme like Gauges, with a low-Tcr material [, and possibly, high Preheat settings... any of these three could cause the problem on their own, but it's much less likely]

I'm a bit dubious about the 'high cpu theme', as I pretty much castrated the gauges theme to do nothing on the main screen and it was still an issue. Either way, 2398 puffs later I've had it occur 3 times, 729/924/981. Yes, I checked and wrote it down each time it happened because it's happening so rarely now. So... much better than it was.

[digitalerik]

Can I please have a firmware update for my 75c? It suffers the same issue. My 250c has been performing a lot better now.

[NateHevens]

Okay so... I have my HugsVape Lotus with a dual coil SS430 Clapton build on it. Yesterday, I hit temp protection from cold and couldn't vape at all. Reread the ohms, however, and it started working perfectly and hasn't happened again. 

The experimental firmware is working well, but clearly it's not a 100% perfect fix.

That said, thank you Evolv for actually acting on and dealing with this issue. Also, I don't have a 75c (although I may get a squonk mod with it if I can't find a 250c squonk I like... I'm not too impressed with things I've heard about Lost Vape, but I also have a retail job and a lot of bills I have to pay, so the less I have to pay for a good DNA C squonk mod, the better...), but it looks like y'all should port the firmware over to the 75c, as well... 

[Darkstar_]

Well, after using the other posted firmware I had no issues. Yet today as soon as I change my coil, it starts to happen again.

No reason behind it. Tank can be full of juice or nearly empty. Be charging or not.

I have no idea what causes it and it's really annoying as I paid (what I consider) a lot of money for this and I have to use it in wattage mode going forward.

 

Here is a normal puff

 

Here is "temp protect"

Doesn't show me anything I can work off.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Darkstar_
Images added

[Nexolek]

Well, I figured I'd try to help out, so I sent my Finder 250C to Evolv for some testing. So far, of course, it hasn't misbehaved. Here's hoping!

[Quipu]

On 11/5/2018 at 4:50 PM, James said:

If you are encountering the issue mentioned in this thread -- spurious Temperature Protetected messages when using a high-CPU theme like Gauges, with a low-Tcr material [, and possibly, high Preheat settings... any of these three could cause the problem on their own, but it's much less likely] -- when using Temperature Protection but not Replay, and would be willing to try an experimental firmware, give one of these a go:

https://downloads.evolvapor.com/DNA250Color_v1_1_SP38_US_test.sw-service (US Edition)

https://downloads.evolvapor.com/DNA250Color_v1_1_SP38_INT_test.sw-service (International Edition)

This won't help if your problem is related to your 510 connector or electrical grounding.

Anyway, let me know how it works for you, if you run into any new bugs, etc. Thanks!

I had spurious Temp. Protect messages with the stock theme, and wandering thru the forum, found a topic of how to properly set mod ohms,  shorting with big wire.

I can say I synced my favorite tank with the mod, in this process I discovered that the central screw on the tank is not tight enough, and it's a little short, can grab two or three threads inside.

Before tank repair, I had a temp. protect annoyingly,  when I replaced him with the longer one and tighten fairly, I had a temp. protect here and there nothing extreme.

And after SP 38 nothing, nada working flawlessly.

So checking your contacts, it is a big one.

I don't know how to refer on heavy theme\ temp.protect, because I deleted some screens.
simplified and personalized the theme as much as possible.
Many toggles and other stuff as graf etc.
left just for escribe, btw who can see all this on that screen. (no need for big screen stay stealth as much as possible (just my opinion))

In another word Replay and watts is the way to go, and I'm heavy TC user and don't use Reply to much.
Maybe I like to play with it a little.

So SP 38 INT. EDI. has a green light for me. Opinion after a month or two of using it.
Sorry on my Eng it is not my mother tongue, and thanx for the fix\update.

Cheers

Edited December 24, 2018 by Quipu

[Asdfghjkl]

Installed sp38 on my triade, but has not seemed to completely fix the "temp protect" messages. Ss316L

[lem]

I have exactly this problem although SP38 seems to have reduced it.

It now seems to happen every now and again but once its started it will do it every time it hits maximum temperature until I do a soft reset via escribe that after which it will go back to functioning correctly for a while.

It seems its common that its failing like this when I pick it up cold and once it has been reset it functions correctly. 

I have been building a super cut down theme (only has 3 screens) but the problem may have got worse since I added some more visual complexity to it.

Anyone else got any further in tying down what this is and how to make it go away? The device works brilliantly when its working but the lack of reliability is seriously frustrating for what was an expensive mod.

[Lanzarotechris]

To me its still happening with the SP38.

Using SS316L single coil with 0.53 ohms, set to 25 watts, max. temp setting (TC) to 240°C.

I recognized that it gets worse when I activate preheat.

Without preheat it happens only sometimes, but with preheat activated its quite unusuable.

Definately a software problem in correlation with the temp settings.

Hope its getting fixed soon.

[Quipu]

Don't have any problems so far, no temp protect.

DjJLsb ss316l  vaping to 206 *C, allowing max 150w and for 206*C mod uses approx. 70W.

So Lanzar maybe your max watts is to low to reach 240*C.

 

[Quipu]

This Is a theme I modified a little bit.

And on the monitor is no more cut off aka temp-protect, on the beginning of inhaling or middle of inhaling like was to be, random.

On the monitor I see temp-protected 13202 times of 13961 puffs, I don't have so many cutoffs for sure, the board maintains the desired temp flawlessly when I  changed to SP38 and checked tank connections.

Maybe mod hit temp-protect but without cutoff, just maintaining the temp as it should.

Firing without inhaling nothin just staying around  207*C until it finishes 10s.

Evolv Default Enhanced 250C modified.ecigtheme

[Lanzarotechris]

@Quipu

I'm pretty shure I don't need 70 Watts to warm up a 0.5 Ohms coil.

Your 0.16 Ohm coil is playing in another league.

Steam Engine is recommending 22 Watts with my settings, so I think I am fine with 25 Watts.

Working fine on other mods too.

[Quipu]

Will build some .5 ss316 coil, I'm just curious, will tell what will be.

Now I use dual ss316L  claptons  .16 ohms

Try not to limit tight in watts when performing in TC, maybe will help.

[Lanzarotechris]

@Quipu

No problems so far with my dual coilers.

Throttling only appears when using single coil ss316l as far as I can tell...

Especially on my GT3 and GT4 attys.

Didn't watched it that closely as I just switch to another mod when it doesn't work on the Triade.

But its definately disturbing when using a "high end premium" mod like a Triade 250 C and a high end atty.

Just shouldn't happen...

Well,... every new technique has its flaws in the beginning I guess...

As long as they can fix it via the software I'm fine with it so far.

But its anoying as you would expect a manufacturer like evolv/DNA that they would fix it before they sell it...

Especially when the selling tune is that it would be so easy, just find your perfect puff and replay it.

From my POV its the mod I have the most trouble with so far... and the most difficult to find the right settings

as there are much more options to consider than with my old Therion 75 for example.

Thats what brought me here into the forum in the first place.

And when you see how many people have problems with the new C devices then you see the difference between sales pitch and reality.

[badawe]

Any news on that? I'm using a Horizon Falcon with a Mesh Coil and getting the temp protected / throttling as well, even in watts mode :( 

[joeblowma]

5 hours ago, badawe said:

Any news on that? I'm using a Horizon Falcon with a Mesh Coil and getting the temp protected / throttling as well, even in watts mode

I got that message in watts mode when the saved cold resistance was a fair bit higher than the actual resistance of the coil (for example a 0.32 ohm coil will give throttling message instantly if the saved value in the watt mode profile I have is 0.524 or higher), usually after rejecting a new coil message.

Edited February 4, 2019 by joeblowma

[Quipu]

I tried with a .5 ohm coil exactly .675Ω  but with titanium single coil.
Without wick dry, blowing. Don't have an SS wire for now.

On the other hand, don't know what is the purpose of preheating or punch etc. in TC.
You can see when available watts is increased, the graph of temp. curve becomes steeper in time.
At 50W even can't reach the desired temp.

So just with Watts arrangement in TC mode, can be set how strong, sharp vape will be,
and for me as an ex-smoker, I like immediately with no delay like a real cig.

Dual Ti coils  @ .163Ω
With wet wick assembled atomizer same intensity of draws.
Nothing from Temp Pro. cutoffs 

Anyway, maybe somebody will find this helpful.

Cheers.