Hyperion dna 100c internal resitence test on escribe

[SVAPROLET]

Hi, I've got an Hyperion dna 100 c and now a Hadron mini dna 100c by Steam Crave...I tried to test internal resistence of both boxes with Calibration Tool for DNA200 but escribe doesn't read ohm...why?

[BillW50]

Yes, many of us noticed this. The atomizer analyzer on the DNA100C won't read less than 0.10Ω. Evolv knows about it, but never gave a reason why that is.

[SVAPROLET]

thanks! 

[MVP]

We can add the Lost Vape Thelema Solo DNA100C I just purchased: a shorted deck allows reading something using Atomizer Analyzer, but the DNA copper tool (made by Evolv!) doesn't work, the box won't report its internal resistance. I think that Evolv should give a solution, probably a firmware update, because it is absolutely absurd: how the modder (Lost Vape, in this case) assumed that the box has a 0.004 Ohm internal resistance? I, repat, _I_ want to be able to measure it. Moreover, the manual says the board can't manage coils at less than 0.15 Ohm and even this is absurd: how can I use a 5 turns of Nichel200 28ga on 2 mm. diameter? It is 0.06 Ohm, every other DNA I own can use it, the DNA100C can't. Very bad, thumbs down this time. I'll try to drop a line to tech support.

 

[MVP]

Ticket submitted ([#H6L-NWV-WRD7] Ticket received: Unable to use the copper shorter made by YOU!).

We'll see.

 

[Wayneo]

Did you read the @BillW50 comment?

On 4/1/2022 at 5:50 AM, BillW50 said:

Yes, many of us noticed this. The atomizer analyzer on the DNA100C won't read less than 0.10Ω. Evolv knows about it, but never gave a reason why that is.

Evolv NEVER made a copper tool as far as I'm aware of in the last 6 years, but I am aware this issue existed but have not checked lately. 

Lost Vape for a couple years now have just been using the standard Evolv defaults in all their mods and that's where they're getting the 0.004 value. I'm glad you opened a ticket. 
 

[MVP]

2 hours ago, Wayneo said:

Did you read the @BillW50 comment?

Evolv NEVER made a copper tool as far as I'm aware of in the last 6 years, but I am aware this issue existed but have not checked lately. 

Lost Vape for a couple years now have just been using the standard Evolv defaults in all their mods and that's where they're getting the 0.004 value. I'm glad you opened a ticket. 
 

I knew they didn't SOLD it, but knew they did it (how to measure internal resistance in someway different mode but in a reliable way?). Anyway, copper tool or not, they should give an answer or, simply, it is not worth to purchase any DNA100C-based device, unless the customer is the classic "blind" vaper who buys compulsively just to show others he/she owns a DNA but uses it in VW mode only...

[Wayneo]

Did you actually try your 0.06Ω coil and get an error? I know I have built below .15Ω successfully with Ti01.

[BillW50]

35 minutes ago, MVP said:

I knew they didn't SOLD it, but knew they did it (how to measure internal resistance in someway different mode but in a reliable way?). Anyway, copper tool or not, they should give an answer or, simply, it is not worth to purchase any DNA100C-based device, unless the customer is the classic "blind" vaper who buys compulsively just to show others he/she owns a DNA but uses it in VW mode only...

The DNA100C board is the only DNA board that won't read anything below 0.10Ω.

[dwcraig1]

Here is my DNA100 firing at low ohms. While I only got mine to 0.07 ohms I would think it would also fire at 0.06.

[BillW50]

SP55.1? Is this one public?

[dwcraig1]

Yes, here is the INT. one,

https://downloads.evolvapor.com/SetupEScribe2_SP45_INT_ServicePack.exe

[MVP]

Guys, the problem is not to build a 0.07 coil and even be able to vape with it: probably this wouldn't lead to any "disease".  The problem is: I want to measure the _real_ internal impedance of the box (what if cabling has not been realized correctly and the software supposes to deal with 0.004 Ohm while the real impedance could be much higher?) and everyone in the world, til now, has used the copper tool to reliably do it. Now this chip isn't allowing to do so. That means: nothing to say on other DNA chips but, if I have to choose among them, I will _not_ choose the DNA100C. That's all. And here's why, according with my opinion, Evolv should intervene and fix this ASAP.

 

[BillW50]

SP55.1 (found in SP45 INT Service Pack) addresses this problem. After installing the new firmware, I now read 0.007 internal resistance from my Hyperion using my Signature Mods copper tool.

[dwcraig1]

I must admit that I hadn't tried it since updating the FW, I shall get on it when I get home from work

[MVP]

1 hour ago, BillW50 said:

SP55.1 (found in SP45 INT Service Pack) addresses this problem. After installing the new firmware, I now read 0.007 internal resistance from my Hyperion using my Signature Mods copper tool.

Tried a few hours ago to totally uninstall Escribe and reinstall from latest version. Restarted, re-read the box, updated again with the proposed internal SP but nutin doin... still won't read using the copper plug (just a ? in Atomizer Analyzer). Frankly I think Evolv should come out with a consistent answer and tell us why.

[dwcraig1]

Sp55.1 did nothing on either one of my 100's in the mod resistance area. Just the usual ? I got it to briefly flash 0.010 once.

[BillW50]

Same here, but if you turn it back and forth and wait, it will read.

[MVP]

2 hours ago, dwcraig1 said:

Sp55.1 did nothing on either one of my 100's in the mod resistance area. Just the usual ? I got it to briefly flash 0.010 once.

Same thing for me, I did it live this afternoon on my channel. That SP is not (yet, I hope) the solution.

1 minute ago, BillW50 said:

Same here, but if you turn it back and forth and wait, it will read.

That's a false reading, due to the slight contact. Right after you tighten the tool, unfortunately you get a question mark again, I did it live this afternoon on my channel.

[BillW50]

To be fair, before SP55.1, I couldn't get any reading below 0.10Ω. Now I can, even just briefly.

[MVP]

9 hours ago, BillW50 said:

To be fair, before SP55.1, I couldn't get any reading below 0.10Ω. Now I can, even just briefly.

Very good. But, why briefly rather than steadily, just like any 75C, 60 or 75? The question still arises toward Evolv.
Now I have an atty on the Thelema Solo (4.51 MTL RTA from Angry Fox Vape), filled with a NET and built with a Nifethal52 28ga coil (5 turns on 2.25 mm., about 0.26 Ohm). When it will be necessary to rebuild, I'll do it with same coil, but will try to use Nickel200 (largely under 0.1 Ohm for a similar coil). I'm sure it will work, but this is not (yet) a fix: I still can't measure internal impedance, with the copper plug still showing a laconic "?".

[rcamarda]

@Wayneo @dwcraig1

Hi gents,

any update on the topic? Stil100c can't be calibrated?

Thanks for any update.

Edited October 18, 2023 by rcamarda

[Wayneo]

any update on the topic? ➔ No.
Stil100c can't be calibrated? ➔ Haven't checked, so can't say.