kidkev Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 Hey, guys just got a new mod with TC (Odin DNA250c) and have been trying to figure out TC but have not had much luck yet, I'm getting a metallic taste on my tongue and a general issue trying to get a good vape with TC (still haven't experienced good flavors yet), sometimes I'm getting way too much power flowing through and sometimes too little, I was using 26g 316L SS about 11 wraps around 4mm ID aiming for .5ohm dual coil. Not sure if I'm missing a step somewhere, I was wondering if there is a step-by-step guide on how to set up TC with SS wire on the DNA250c? I think I'm getting hung up on locking ohm reading etc, I couldn't find much info online and the few things I found were pretty complicated and hard to understand. I heard the DNA chips are good for TC and I would like to experience it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidkev Posted September 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 Also what are some coils i should try with TC? I only have round wire 316l on hand and wondering what specific builds you guys are using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMK Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Hi, welcome first. Round wire is good - the simpler the coil, the better for TC. SS316 is also possible. Ohm lock only if there are problems with sudden changes in resistance - usually a mistake. First install the coil with "watt" material and carefully anneal it, then lay the cotton wool and assemble everything. Now switch to material "SS316" and measure the resistance again (the coil has now cooled down and has changed its resistance due to the annealing process. The annealing process also burns any dirt on the wire). Vape a little without activated TC, so you get a feeling for the performance that matches the coil - then activate TC. Now are just a few basic thoughts - for me, everything goes through the Google Translator ... Edited September 21, 2021 by gwyar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMK Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 vor einer Stunde schrieb kidkev: .5ohm dual coil The best thing about the DNA chip is the REPLAY function! I have zero experience of TC with dual-coil, but REPLAY should generally be of good service here. REPLAY = material selection 'watt', regardless of what the coil (s) are made of! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidkev Posted September 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, gwyar said: The best thing about the DNA chip is the REPLAY function! I have zero experience of TC with dual-coil, but REPLAY should generally be of good service here. REPLAY = material selection 'watt', regardless of what the coil (s) are made of! I have never used the replay feature, what are the benefits? how is it compared to TC? do you still get dry hits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMK Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) REPLAY is THE feature! Vape and if all is well: save the puff and the control system controls the output from now on, comparable to the TC control. Difference: you didn't have to specify the material and a temperature first. No dry hits. Replay controls coils made of mixed materials - no chance with TC. Replay controls complex coils - difficult with TC. Edited September 21, 2021 by gwyar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidkev Posted September 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, gwyar said: REPLAY is THE feature! Vape and if all is well: save the puff and the control system controls the output from now on, comparable to the TC control. Difference: you didn't have to specify the material and a temperature first. No dry hits. Replay controls coils made of mixed materials - no chance with TC. Replay controls complex coils - difficult with TC. Just tried the replay feature and it is fantastic!!! Perfect vape every time and no dry hits! wish I could have got TC to work but this seem wayyyyyy better, thanks for the recommendation!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zark Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 On 21.09.2021 at 08:42, kidkev said: Просто попробовал функцию воспроизведения, и это фантастика !!! Идеальный вейп каждый раз и никаких сухих ударов! Хотел бы я, чтобы TC работал, но это кажется намного лучше, спасибо за рекомендацию !!! Термоконтроль это не самый вкусный режим vape. Наилучший вкус в режиме watts, поскольку Replay это управляемая разновидность режима watts, то вкус будет лучше. Но сухие удары в TC, это нонсенс. Либо что то не так с катушкой, либо с настройками. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMK Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) vor 15 Minuten schrieb zark: Die thermische Kontrolle ist nicht der leckerste Dampfmodus. Bester Geschmack im Watt-Modus, da Replay eine kontrollierte Variation des Watt-Modus ist, schmeckt es besser. Aber trockene Aufnahmen in TC sind Unsinn. Das würde ich SO nicht sagen - im Ergebnis verfolgen REPLAY und TC das gleiche Ziel, nur das im REPLAY-Mode der Endwiderstand während des vapen durch "Save" festgelegt wird, im TC-Mode hingegen anhand einer Berechnung. Es mag Unterschiede im Detail geben, aber das drundsätzliche Regelprinzip ist durchaus vergleichbar. Mit einfachen (TC-) Drähten bevorzuge ich tatsächlich den TC-Mode und nutze REPLAY "nur" by Fused Claptons und ähnlichen. I wouldn't say that SO - as a result, REPLAY and TC pursue the same goal, only that in REPLAY mode the terminal resistance is determined by "Save" during vaping, in TC mode on the other hand based on a calculation. There may be differences in the details, but the fundamental rule principle is definitely comparable. With simple (TC) wires I actually prefer the TC mode and use REPLAY "only" by fused claptons and the like. Edited September 27, 2021 by gwyar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMK Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 vor 16 Minuten schrieb zark: Aber trockene Aufnahmen in TC sind Unsinn. Entweder stimmt etwas mit der Spule oder mit den Einstellungen nicht. Absolutely correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz369ns Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 Hi, I twisted coil a 316L from 28ga wire. 35W, 185 Celsius, 0.32 Ohms. While smoking it jumps to 0.37 Ohm. Do I have to block the coil in the settings or not? Blocked or no difference - still 0.37 Ohm. Anyone have a .csv for 316l? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) If you are smoking with a DNA, you are doing something wrong @Lukasz369ns. Nothing should be smoking (aka burning). You should be vaping and making vapor. And SS316L changes in resistance as the wire temperature changes. SS316L at room temperature will always read lowest when it is cool. And at vaping temperatures, it increases to upwards of 20%. Yours is what, like a 14% increase? That is perfectly normal. Edited December 27, 2022 by BillW50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz369ns Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 smoking is very pleasant, I mean should the heater be blocked or not? The rest works great - much better than on the VTC Mini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 If you are worried about the resistance (ohms) increase, it is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz369ns Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 Thank you. I am running on profile 316 now, do i need to change profile to 316l? If so, does anyone have the file so I can upload it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 What DNA do you have? All of the color boards (75C, 100C, and 250C) the Profile 316 is fine for 316L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz369ns Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 DNA 250C - ok, I will stay on 316 profile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan V Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Hi everyone. I bought my device about a week ago and tried to use TC with SS 316L round coil, but it looks like the device is not recognizing the coil, and replay mode doesn't work either. I've tried to replace the coils and also tried new builds with different numbers of wraps! No matter what, replay mode doesn't work! It is also worth mentioning that it worked for about a couple of minutes on my first try when I unboxed the device, and also for a couple of seconds on one of my attempts to try a new build and then went again! my coil wire: Vandy vape SS 316L round 26ga My build: 7wraps 2.5mm dual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Can you connect to EScribe software and open EScribe's Device Manager and have the power, temperature, and live ohms checked and take a puff and then take a snapshot and upload it? Live ohms should be increasing as the coil gets hotter. SS316L only increases about 15% from room temperature to vaping temperature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan V Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Sure. hear you are... there is something wrong here!🤨 ohm is not changing at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 It appears to not be stainless steel, probably Kanthal or Nichrome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 Indeed! If the wire attracts magnets, it is most likely Kanthal. If not, then most likely nichrome. FYI: SS316L isn't magnetic either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan V Posted January 1, 2023 Report Share Posted January 1, 2023 It is definitely ss! I've been using this wire for a while... I tried something else. came out that it is good with one coil build! don't know why! Maybe there is something wrong with my atomizer... certainly, I don't have time to struggle with this vaping computer 😆 but I'll definitely come back for it! there is also something else that I think it's not related to this topic (if you know which topic it is, please comment the link for me) I've started to get temp protect once in a while, especially after I put down my device for a couple of minutes and try to use it next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW50 Posted January 1, 2023 Report Share Posted January 1, 2023 But SS changes resistance as it warms. Your wire isn't changing resistance at all. All of my SS wire does. So how do you explain this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan V Posted January 1, 2023 Report Share Posted January 1, 2023 maybe there is something wrong with my atomizer... I don't know really; also I tried a single coil and it worked! but now I'm getting a "temp protect" error every once in a while. it's still a question for me too... can I ask which DNA chipset you use? because I think there is something really wrong with 250c, though I can't tell for sure since I never had a DNA device before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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