bdaines Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just got this stuff in, running the stream engine NiFE52 profile as folks on the forum have instructed and it barely vapes cranked up to 450F. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 It just so happened that last night I built a coil with Zivpf NiFe30 and I wanted to replace it tonight with one with a larger ID. So I proceeded to use my Zivpf NiFe48 to see how it would do. I built the same physical coil that I almost always build and put it in a TaifunGT3. I was not able to get it to work to my satisfaction. I was using 40 watts preheat then 30 watts and it would hit the 450F temp and throttle down. I tried this with both a DNA75 and a DNA100C. My coil is 2.7 mm ID using 26 gauge wire, I get 45/35 watts no problem using SS430. I decided to go ahead and build my larger ID NiFe30 coil using a 2nd Taifun GT3 and that worked perfectly. The profile from Steamengine NiFe52 is goodt for Zivpf NiFe48, while not exact it is close enough (400 vs 403). My only advice is to make sure your connections are tight and cold ohms is accurately measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 Connections are tight, and does seem to read cold ohms pretty close (.25 vs .23). Even tried the .00400 that zivipf lists as the TCR. Wicking well too. It's not kicking out of TC mode either, I just have to have it cranked way up to get anything decent out of it. Currently at 485F. I even gave the screws & holes a good cleaning before putting the build in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 ere is my NiFe48 coil and NiFe30 coil firing in pretty much an identical situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 I guess it would be nice if someone could create an updated curve so that it reads correctly. Unfortunately it seems like there is not much interest and that kind of thing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 After taking up the tcr by 20 at a time I eventually reached 0.0050 so I just used SteamEngine's CSV for Stealvape NiFe30. I'm sure it's close going by taste, ect. Works fine now for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 Awesome. I will give that a try and report back. Just to confirm that's for the z48 correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 That's the coil I'm working with and using the NiFe30 curve from SteamEngine with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 NiFe48 coil using NiFe30 CSV (Stealth Vave not Resistherm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) Definitely closer, that's got me around 425F down from 485F Edited February 11, 2023 by bdaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 I use contact coils and was thinking maybe a couple of wraps were shorting when cold resulting in a lower cold resistance. So I opened it up,removed the wick and separated the coils and fired it and then pushed them back togther. I'm using Atomizer Analyzer during the whole process. It came out a little higher afterwards. I did this right before I was to leave for work and I choose the wrong one (the NiFe30 one). I didn't have time to do the one with NiFe48 so when I get home I'll try it with that. Looking at my snip of NiFe48 firing I'm seeing the resistance more than double and I'm thinking that's not right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 I got home from work and went straight at it, spreading the coils, checking the ohms. Rewicked and got the same sorry results. The one with the Zivpf NiFe30 (Steathvape CSV) works fine. I have disposed of the NiFe48 coil and replaced it with a 2 strand twisted SS430 coil. That's 2 strands of Unkamen's 28 gauge SS430 tightly twisted with a drill. Bottom Line: I gave up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 The stealth vape curve seems to be working pretty well with the 425 setting. Just ran out of liquid and did not get burnt hit. Which is really all I care about. I may pick up some stealth vape wire just for kicks, but I can't really say that's strictly necessary. Thanks for taking the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaines Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 On 2/10/2023 at 10:16 AM, dwcraig1 said: After taking up the tcr by 20 at a time I eventually reached 0.0050 so I just used SteamEngine's CSV for Stealvape NiFe30. I'm sure it's close going by taste, ect. Works fine now for me. Do you anneal your wire or torch it? I've noticed as I've "cleaned" the coil multiple times the temp control may have become more accurate. I've gone from around 420F being a good vape to 405F. Granted, I have inadvertantly switched to a PG heavy liquid (not my usual preference) so that's probably a contributing factor as well, but the amount of heat I'm getting seems to be comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwcraig1 Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 I torch all wire with the exception of Ni200 prior to winding. Then glow them after installation before installing wick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWiseman9000 Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 2/10/2023 at 3:33 PM, dwcraig1 said: NiFe48 coil using NiFe30 CSV (Stealth Vave not Resistherm) I hope you guys don't mind me jumping into your interesting topic especially as it's a bit of a diversion but I have been trying different wires such as SS430, Titanium and Zirconium and am now looking into trying NiFe30 or NiFe48. What I am looking for an answer to is why is the Stealth vape and Zivipf NiFe30 (both very similar) resistance so different to the Resistherm which seams promoted by Dicodes if it's pretty much the same wire (called the same),also noticed the Resistherm wire is much more expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Tim, Dicodes Resistherm material is different because it contains trace elements of Aluminium, Chromium, and Manganese. The entire NiFeXX is sorta in disarray. I try to explain it better here. https://forum.evolvapor.com/files/file/1570-6-nife-material-files-and-tcr-list-for-all-dna-mods/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimWiseman9000 Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Cheers Wayne I will take a look, I was trying not to keep pestering you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Tim, never pestering. I don't create many new posts but this issue deserved a dedicated post explaining the conundrum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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