Guest Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Looking for some answers to some (probably) simple questions. I'm doing a DNA 200 build in a mod that will have other functionality besides the DNA. -Will a SPST switch on the GND of the balancing tap "shut-off" or cause the DNA to shutdown? -Can the DNA effectively share a power source, remote fire button, and a 510 with another circuit? -Basically the DNA will be sharing a Lipo with a Mosfet protected "mech" Mod. I'm thinking a SPST switch on the JST Balance GND wire to isolate the DNA. Another possibility is to power the DNA with another Mosfet with a DPDT switch on the gates of the fets?? This set-up would (I think) be wired so the DNA has full power available to it through a fet that has a gate controlled by the DPDT switch, making the fet stay "closed". The fet for the other curcuit runs through the same DPDT, but wired to the Fire button, leaving the "mech" functional. I think I've expressed what I'm trying to do here.Thanks for any help!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gm111 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Can't really help you as to wether you could use it as a mech aswell and don't think many people could, I don't think having an off switch for the board is a good idea, The board is designed to go to sleep after about an hour too keep it accurate..someone should be here to chip in soon.. Maybe it would be better to see if Evolv could add in a mech mode like the evic mini and a few others do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Looking for some answers to some (probably) simple questions. I'm doing a DNA 200 build in a mod that will have other functionality besides the DNA. -Will a SPST switch on the GND of the balancing tap "shut-off" or cause the DNA to shutdown? -Can the DNA effectively share a power source, remote fire button, and a 510 with another circuit? -Basically the DNA will be sharing a Lipo with a Mosfet protected "mech" Mod. I'm thinking a SPST switch on the JST Balance GND wire to isolate the DNA. Another possibility is to power the DNA with another Mosfet with a DPDT switch on the gates of the fets?? This set-up would (I think) be wired so the DNA has full power available to it through a fet that has a gate controlled by the DPDT switch, making the fet stay "closed". The fet for the other curcuit runs through the same DPDT, but wired to the Fire button, leaving the "mech" functional. I think I've expressed what I'm trying to do here.Thanks for any help!!! Sorry to bother you our mate but im sure you have your reasons for the build::: please share them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 I basically am looking for a way to add the Relayer1974 PWM circuit to the mod and keep the DNA isolated from any current draw and coltage drops that may sent it funky inputs. Isolating the fire switch is easy with a slide DPDT. My concern lies in the current flow/voltage drop the DNA may or maynot see while firing the "parallel" PWM circuit. So if the DNA must be allowed to sleep, will it ignore whats going on behind it? Also PWM power being applied to a shared 510. This would be super easy if we didnt have to work with logic functions and had 40 amp switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Sorry mate i found your answer irratating i couldnt have put the question any simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Didnt see your simple question. I apologize for the irritation as I replied to another post while you posted. The reason for the build is an attempt to combine my two favorite mod styles into one. I love the tc and escribe functionality of the DNA. However, I am also a coil building addict, building exremely difficult coils for myself and friends. When combining 5 or 6 pieces of wire into a complex, dual coil build, 200 watts can fall short. Not everyone may understand this logic, but it is one of my favorite parts of the hobby/vaping experience. In the process of building increasingly complex coils, I have learned invaluable lessons in how a build can make or break a vaping experience on a very discreet level. Therefore, I am looking for the information to see if this is possible in one mod. PWM is a solid, vetted vape, and the DNA build is my daily driver. I wish to accomplish this build for the enjoyment of the "best of both worlds". I hope that explains the why, and others may agree. I just need a little help with the "how". It will be built, but I'm hoping to do it efficiently and openly so others who may have 2 mods at home could ponder the enjoyment of combining them into one. Also: I just want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector NS5 RD Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Didnt see your simple question. I apologize for the irritation as I replied to another post while you posted. The reason for the build is an attempt to combine my two favorite mod styles into one. I love the tc and escribe functionality of the DNA. However, I am also a coil building addict, building exremely difficult coils for myself and friends. When combining 5 or 6 pieces of wire into a complex, dual coil build, 200 watts can fall short. Not everyone may understand this logic, but it is one of my favorite parts of the hobby/vaping experience. In the process of building increasingly complex coils, I have learned invaluable lessons in how a build can make or break a vaping experience on a very discreet level. Therefore, I am looking for the information to see if this is possible in one mod. PWM is a solid, vetted vape, and the DNA build is my daily driver. I wish to accomplish this build for the enjoyment of the "best of both worlds". I hope that explains the why, and others may agree. I just need a little help with the "how". It will be built, but I'm hoping to do it efficiently and openly so others who may have 2 mods at home could ponder the enjoyment of combining them into one. Also: I just want to. so this is what you want to wire in conjunction with a dna 200 board? it appears this circuit runs off 2 18650's series batts. are you planning to limit your dna to 133 watts so you can use this configuration? i guess it would work as long as you have dedicated wiring to each circuit (dna, pwm ic) and a respective switch. edit......i just read your first post, lol, sorry. i'm not sure you want to share any of the output wiring of the dna with your pwm generator. that could be bad news for both. one would essentially backfeed voltage into the other when one is working and the other is not. i would have a switch in the positive portion of the 510 circuit that would open the circuit to whatever circuit is not being used while vaping ie. have a switch open the output circuit of the dna when you're vaping with the pwm and vise versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yes. This is the basis of the PWM circuit. Works fine up to 4s with pFet buffering the 555 timer. Using the 3000mAh 3S Venom Fly 30C, assuming the component current ratings are good, 90 amps (150 pulse) at 12 volts is available to the PWM. I need to know if the DNA and PWM can share the battery and FIRE button without changing a connector. Switching the logic functions of the nfet and the FIRE button would isolate the PWM from the DNA. However, my question is how to isolate the DNA from the PWM. Will leaving the DNA in sleep or awake mode while firing the PWM, isolated only by a switch on the remote FIRE button, cause any problems for the DNA? Note: The PWM circuit is good to go (puff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector NS5 RD Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Yes. This is the basis of the PWM circuit. Works fine up to 4s with pFet buffering the 555 timer. Using the 3000mAh 3S Venom Fly 30C, assuming the component current ratings are good, 90 amps (150 pulse) at 12 volts is available to the PWM. I need to know if the DNA and PWM can share the battery and FIRE button without changing a connector. Switching the logic functions of the nfet and the FIRE button would isolate the PWM from the DNA. However, my question is how to isolate the DNA from the PWM. Will leaving the DNA in sleep or awake mode while firing the PWM, isolated only by a switch on the remote FIRE button, cause any problems for the DNA? Note: The PWM circuit is good to go (puff). i'm not positive but i think battery pack voltage is present at the fire button. now the question on sharing the battery i don't see why not. as for problems with the dna board when using the pwm i dunno. i don't know if compounding extra components onto the fire button circuit would cause problems. i would not join them. i'd completely isolated one circuit from the other, which i'm sure you can figure out. this would be a question to ask one of the engineers at evolv, ie john, james etc. open a ticket with evolv or maybe one them will see your post here and chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thats where I have become unsure of the integration. I opened a ticket before posting on the forum and sent a PM to John siting this thread. We seem to be on the same page. Completely separate circuits is without a doubt doable. Our attempt at solving this self-created problem is with the effort by which we can evolv the vaping world. Either it will work, or it will not. Either way, we learn. Ill update any progress here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector NS5 RD Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Thats where I have become unsure of the integration. I opened a ticket before posting on the forum and sent a PM to John siting this thread. We seem to be on the same page. Completely separate circuits is without a doubt doable. Our attempt at solving this self-created problem is with the effort by which we can evolv the vaping world. Either it will work, or it will not. Either way, we learn. Ill update any progress here. i'm tempted to say just try what your original design/idea calls for and see what happens. i just don't want you to release the magic smoke from your dna board, or worse, from your lipo. evolv is very understanding when it comes to RMA's. that has been my experience when dealing with their return service. john did say in one of these threads, (i'm paraphrasing) "if you booger up a board doing something out of the normal, ie removing the onboard buttons, we'll take mercy on you. do the same thing twice and well......we might not be as understanding" anyways, see what they say in response to your email you sent. they are in the process of moving into a new facility, so be patient on a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Any thoughts on using a mosfet on the output of the DNA between the board and the 510? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Didnt see your simple question. I apologize for the irritation as I replied to another post while you posted. The reason for the build is an attempt to combine my two favorite mod styles into one. I love the tc and escribe functionality of the DNA. However, I am also a coil building addict, building exremely difficult coils for myself and friends. When combining 5 or 6 pieces of wire into a complex, dual coil build, 200 watts can fall short. Not everyone may understand this logic, but it is one of my favorite parts of the hobby/vaping experience. In the process of building increasingly complex coils, I have learned invaluable lessons in how a build can make or break a vaping experience on a very discreet level. Therefore, I am looking for the information to see if this is possible in one mod. PWM is a solid, vetted vape, and the DNA build is my daily driver. I wish to accomplish this build for the enjoyment of the "best of both worlds". I hope that explains the why, and others may agree. I just need a little help with the "how". It will be built, but I'm hoping to do it efficiently and openly so others who may have 2 mods at home could ponder the enjoyment of combining them into one. Also: I just want to. Thanx for your replie, am on mobile,, and also your pm and in answer to your pm" no i dont have any experiance in switching a 200 from a paralal circuit, nore do you and why would i.. i have other mods, cont,,, inued,, without getting too tecnical i cant see how you would have any sucsess in compleatly isolating the 200 in say a metel enclosure because ground points are also the cradle, also i know several people who like to vape trying different complexo builds in different drippers, powerd by both mechanical and vv/vw, i cant say i have noticed anyone carry one mod and change out attys, carrying a seperate atty, moor two mods, because of battery life, so the logic of practical use i think the mod build will be somthing of a white elephant. Could you also put up a pic up of one of your dual coil builds that requires 200 plus watts with a full materials list wrap and mandrel and method breakdown, you say you wish to be open with the mod build (in spite of leaving pm's) and have peopls time attention and effort so i think its only right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Could you also put up a pic up of one of your dual coil builds that requires 200 plus watts with a full materials list wrap and mandrel and method breakdown, you say you wish to be open with the mod build (in spite of leaving pm's) and have peopls time attention and effort so i think its only right.. How did an electrical circuity question lead you to asking for coil materials lists and specs? You cant imagine a coil ever requiring more than 200 watts? The answer to this request for a materials list and specs on a coil will lead us no where. As for the white elephant? Its my favorite kind. Grey is getting old. And so is this exchange. Please refer to my first post to find the original question/problem we were trying to solve. Thanks in advance fmor some valuable/useful input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 In that case i misinterpreted the thread at start point. a hypathetical question and a theretical method solution leading to build a mod that would power these coils, with an on board or (in mod) dna200 cross over option. as you know coils are so divers leading to the same result, you may generate some intrest off other coil specialists who may see somthing that can be slightly changed and then integrated onto the 200 board achieving the same result. It wasnt a put yer money where your mouth is response (trying to put you on the ropes so to speak), and i have two white elephants of mods that seemed like a good idear at the time, i wasnt going off on a tangent, talking about wild life, how evere i do believe its the warmer climate change brings them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thanks for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retird Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 What would the advantage be to have a DNA200/200 watt mech mod combination? So it uses the same battery and is in the same (LARGER) enclosure. Maybe I'm missing the point? Isn't 200 watts in wattage mode on the DNA200 already available?At any rate you would need to isolate the fire button, input power, and output power to the 510 from the dormant device having no way to back feed current to the dormant one. 20/30 amp DPDT switches are not small components and what I'm thinkin' you would need two of them and the additional wiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thought it was rubarb from the very onset, but decided to feed it every tea break while building this little dog a kennel, lol. if the littl B would get in it i will post a shot and will include .. to stay on subject.. a mech mod dna 200 combination, its quite a simple build realy, but you will need an elastic band.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector NS5 RD Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Any thoughts on using a mosfet on the output of the DNA between the board and the 510? that's an idea. just a simple nfet inline with the pos output of the board????? using the actual voltage from the board to close the gate?? i dunno if this would work, especially with variations in voltage from the output ie different wattage settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Quote: Originally Posted by danimalvapes350 Any thoughts on using a mosfet on the output of the DNA between the board and the 510? that's an idea. just a simple nfet inline with the pos output of the board????? using the actual voltage from the board to close the gate?? i dunno if this would work, especially with variations in voltage from the output ie different wattage settings. The nfet could be triggered by another voltage source if necessary, as I've seen done on other high power mods. I wonder, though, if the inline nfet would interfere with the DNA accurately reading the atomizer resistance. As long as the gate sees 5~v it should close and the current through the nfet can vary with the DNA settings. I have no idea if this extra component would essentially make TC go haywire. Another shot in the dark: diode on the outputs? Thanks, ChunkyButt200. Your input is useful and ideas lead to better solutions, wether the idea is good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I think your wasting the blokes time, as soon as your asked what is it for, you send pm's challanging people and when asked to put a pic of one of your 200watt plus coil builds up you start throwing your toys out your pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 black lace said:I think your wasting the blokes time, as soon as your asked what is it for, you send pm's challanging people and when asked to put a pic of one of your 200watt plus coil builds up you start throwing your toys out your pram. I sent the single PM to ensure that you received my answer as you wrote you were annoyed at my late response. I doubt I have wasted anyone's time by posting a question on a public forum. Again, I appreciate your past input and will take your technical points into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Idiom Definitions for 'Throw your toys out of the pram' To make an angry protest against a relatively minor problem, in the process embarrassing the protester. The analogy is with a baby who throws toys out of the pram in order to get their parent to pay attention to them. The implication in the idiom is that the protester is acting like a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black lace Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I havent given you any technical input, you know very well.. chunkybutt has inputted with great patience to a project i dont believe will be built, anouther person besides myselfe has said to be technicaly difficult and stupid, i honestly believe if it where a 300 watt board you would still be here sayin you whant 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spector NS5 RD Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 danimalvapes350 said:Quote: Originally Posted by danimalvapes350 Any thoughts on using a mosfet on the output of the DNA between the board and the 510? that's an idea. just a simple nfet inline with the pos output of the board????? using the actual voltage from the board to close the gate?? i dunno if this would work, especially with variations in voltage from the output ie different wattage settings. The nfet could be triggered by another voltage source if necessary, as I've seen done on other high power mods. I wonder, though, if the inline nfet would interfere with the DNA accurately reading the atomizer resistance. As long as the gate sees 5~v it should close and the current through the nfet can vary with the DNA settings. I have no idea if this extra component would essentially make TC go haywire. Another shot in the dark: diode on the outputs? Thanks, ChunkyButt200. Your input is useful and ideas lead to better solutions, wether the idea is good or bad. problem with diodes in the output circuit is 1.) there aren't any diodes of necessary amperage that would be practical for a small enclosure mod. 2.) there will be some voltage drop across the diode, which is no good. 3.)dna has to read resistance, even more so in tc mode, which a diode has and could booger up accuracy. most of these, except for #1 also apply to a FET. but hey if you got diodes and fets laying around, and dna board i'd try some things at low wattage and feel it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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