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  3. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    14 minutes ago, Wayneo said:

    I will assume you did not do TempCal Init on your Dani, and it was set for normal watts.
    Your DNAs should still work fine for TC vaping even though they both read the coils slightly higher than your other mods, as they were both calibrated.

    You will notice on escribe in all of the profiles the coil resistance is always stored as an Ω and temperature pair which is used to derive the base 20°C (which will be lower)

    That's the best I got.
    PS in looking back I think you missed a zero. So the differences would have been +0.04, +0.03, etc

    Yes, I got the Dani just for a ohm read, so I did not do the init process.

    Thanks for all the details and I will update this thread as I got more DNA mods.

  4. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    On 5/12/2022 at 8:53 AM, Wayneo said:

    @rcamarda After a good sleep, here's an idea. 
    Remove atty from mod for 10 minutes (to cool), go to a completely different profile where it shows zero for the ohms (don't worry about material type). Re-install atty and hit the fire button which will generate the new coil message. What are the Ω's

    Rambling on.
    I'm wondering if you're hitting the fire button even briefly (before you remeasure) which could cause the ohms to rise that 0.06Ω from your Dani. Considering both of your calibrated DNAs read the coil exactly the same, it would be hard for me to fault the mod

    Do you see this difference between mods with different atty's like @BillW50 showed?

    I tried different atoms: by-ka v8, sputnik, vapor giant M5, Eliteism and Iago by telli's mod.

    I do confirm DNA behaviour. 

    Coils are read +0.04 on the Odin mini and +0.03 on the VTBox 250c.

    Aegis solo reads +0.01 and dani mini reads +0.01.

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  6. DNA 250c - Case Analyzer - Cooldown AMPs over 0

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

    I've an update on this topic. 

    I went through a Case Analysis with a 75c and during the cooldown processes the amp on USB were solid 0. 

    So i think this is a bug on the 250c or the process is different for the two boards and one has the possibility to set the USB recharge to 0 (75c), during Thermal Analysi, and one has not (250c) and they accounted this in the analysis calculation.

  8. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

    Il 10/5/2022 in 17:35 , BillW50 ha scritto:

    I just randomly grabbed three mods and three tanks @rcamarda and I played switcheroo.

    Zeus X Kanthal Mesh
    0.224Ω Hyperion DNA100C
    0.23Ω Geek Vape Original Aegis
    0.223Ω Geek Vape Aegis X

    Cerberus (not sure of the non-TC coil in there right now)
    0.302Ω Hyperion DNA100C
    0.31Ω Geek Vape Original Aegis
    0.298Ω Geek Vape Aegis X

    Aspire Atlantis Ni200
    0.157Ω Hyperion DNA100C
    0.17Ω Geek Vape Original Aegis
    0.161Ω Geek Vape Aegis X

    Of course, I could keep making the list longer and longer all day. But I am not seeing anything out of line here. So what does your resistance reads on your DNA mods when you set the wattage to 1 watt (for safety), have the Atomizer Analyzer reading live and you stick a screwdriver to short the 510 pin to the threads without firing the mod read? Don't worry about that spark if you see one. It is harmless to you.

    If you're curious what the Aegis X reads shorted, it reads 0.000Ω and errored Atomizer Short.

    Here i am. Had to find the time to do some tests.

    The Odin Mini 75c reads 0,040.

    The VTBox 250c reads 0.038.

    Before testing with the screwdriver i did set the internal resistence to 0.

     

    Apart from the screwdriver test, since you mentioned the wire I'm using is a suprema ratio ss316 28GA wire.

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  9. Outdated material presets and box TCR input still missing

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    1 ora fa, Wayneo ha scritto:

    You don’t need to reset to defaults. just start escribe with no mod attached, choose new 250c, when it opens go to material, select nife30 in the right hand window and move out to the left hand window. Now it’s available for all your moods just move it to their right hand window

    Thanks, i'll go through it.

    Can you please point out where i did question the truthfulness of someone because i can't find it and i do pay attention to be polite. 

  10. Outdated material presets and box TCR input still missing

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

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    is absolutely correct AND one of the 5 default evolv material entries IS Nife30. If it's not there that was done by Vapecige. 

    I will reset to defaults to get the NiFe30.

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    However NiFexx is an oddity whereby different vendors use that suffix value to denote the Nickel content while others use it for the Iron content. Then on other mods you end up with 'M1 or T1  3200' and 'M2 or T2  4036' on other mods that do not allow you enter a material name. Oh yeah, which one's which?

    I would just point out that Evolv would resolve the problem letting the user to set the TCR within the mod menus.

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    You can put that suggestion in at the Help Desk.

    I'm sure this has been asked/requested in the past multiple time. It's not a strange feature, it's quite common on every mod. I don't think suggesting would make any difference.

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    Both forum activity and SP updates are driven by user engagement. You personally have dealt with Evolv's Director of support, yet questioned the truthfulness of the answer. What other competitor has a dedicated user site or allows access to their non marketing employees?

    I'm happy for Evolv that the Evolv's Director of support dealt with me. I don't remember to question the truthfulness of anyone here (please be more specific, maybe you confuse me with someone else). 

  11. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    6 minuti fa, dwcraig1 ha scritto:

    I'm a fan of the  non color boards. They have a feature called refinement where the board fine tunes the cold resistance when the mod sits idle.

    Color boards don't refine.

    Try letting your atty cool and remeasure ohms again, does it change? 

    I did try almost everything and searched a lot. I posted here because i did finish ideas! :D

  13. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    46 minuti fa, dwcraig1 ha scritto:

    Use Atomizer Analyzer to make sure the two 510 connections are more than just contacting. Note number of turns it take to lose good connection.

    Set mod resistance yourself using 510 shorting tool. I made mine from an old cartomizer with it's end soldered over, a 510 to 510 adapter could have same done to it.

    If you make any changes to mod resistance be sure to upload settings.

    I did try and the ohm are stable even moving the atom around to check if there is some contact issue. 

    I did set internal resistence with a dedicated 510 shorting tool.

    And I've updated everything to both boxes. 

  14. Wrong ohm read with SS316

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda
    TC, SS316

    Hi,

    i've some problems with two DNA mods (VTBox 250 and Odin Mini).

    I've a By-Ka v8 builded with 7 wraps of 28GA on 2.5 of SS316, legs in opposite directions.

    The steam-engine ohm value is 0.706.

    I tried on 3 non DNA boxes and they read one 0.73 (le petite box by vaponaute) and two 0.72 (aegis solo and dani mini). That's ok as precision and atom could affect the reading. 

    On both DNA mods i get a 0.775 value which is quite away from what i do expect from a DNA.

    Any suggestion? 

  16. Outdated material presets and box TCR input still missing

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

    15 ore fa, BillW50 ha scritto:

    Point well taken @rcamarda. Although I don't know if it would make a difference for most DNA users. What I mean is I believe most DNA users would change how their DNAs came anyway. I, like many others change it to our liking with EScribe when we first get them. And that might be the first and last time we connect them to EScribe.

    And the manufactures of DNA mods also share responsibility. They should tweak the DNA settings to their mod and to the best user experience. After all, you would think manufactures would want their mods to be ahead of the competition, right? And some high end manufactures does in fact do this. They add custom themes and more useful wire types. But most don't. They just wire up the board and shove it out the door unfortunately.

    And yes, I could see how a settable TCR profile could be useful. But not having access to the schematics and to the firmware source code, I'm not sure if the current hardware this would be possible. It might require more board memory or something.

    Another problem facing Evolv about making any changes whatsoever, is for the US market they have to submit a whole new PMTA application. Which is very time consuming and expensive to prepare. And the way things are going at the FDA, it would most likely be denied anyway. Until the government accepts innovation, users are kind of stuck with what we already had before Aug 8, 2016 unfortunately.  😟

    Thank you for your answer. 

    I do see your point but it leads to a sad scenario where DNA will become more marginal, and the process is accelerating. 

    I don't know if today i would suggest a DNA to someone asking for a top notch chip for TC. The second after i suggest it i've to start: yes, but you have to connect to a computer and use a software to add up to date materials. You can't use a TCR. Manufacturer do screw things up and you have to calibrate internal box resistance and maybe thermal analysis. But you can use replay out of the box... maybe.

    I really would feel more confident to suggest a Dicodes (expensive and with one of the worst UI and UX ever created) which works like a charm. I would suggest an Aegis solo, really cheap and a great TC out of the box and it has a TCR. And I think chip and mods with great TC out of the box will add up. 

    I like DNA but i just feel it was leading the vaping chip market and it is sliding by the side and slowly falling behind just to be confined to a community of geeks. 

    Regarding costs and investments, if Evolv itself does not invest in their products why should users?

    Sorry if this sound rude, i do not mean to be rude just caring about a great chip.

  17. Outdated material presets and box TCR input still missing

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda
    TCR, TC, DNA, nife48, nife30

    As a DNA user i would like avoiding Escribe. Am I stuck in Replay o VW?

    Stock preset wires are not the first choice when you pick a wire for TC, they were some years ago' probably. Today nife48, nife30 are some quite commons choices.

    But i can't use any of those as i've not the option to set a TCR, which is a common spec with vaping wires and a common feature of DNA competitors who delivers a great TC as well.

    Is there any chance Evolv will have a look in presets and TCR box input?

    As for this forum activity and SP update it seems the DNA movements is a bit on the silent side... 

  18. DNA 250c - Case Analyzer - Cooldown AMPs over 0

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

    14 ore fa, Unr3aL ha scritto:

    I'd like to point you to this thread in "Report a Bug" that i've already made, describing the exact same behaviour:
    Amperage fluctuating close to zero during case analysis, making it impossible to equalize to room temperature

    I also reached out to Evolv Support and this is the answer i got:

    I don't think this is an honest answer though because I've seen a few videos on thermal calibration and all of them had the amps sitting at perfect 0.000A.
    I can't imagine that the added temperature is accounted for in the result because that's simply not how calibration works.
    How can you calibrate and measure off a baseline when your baseline is flawed to begin with?
    How can you account for something in a calibration process where one of the unknown parameters to be found is excactly what you're supposedly accounting for?

    Sadly Evolv's presence in this board is close to zero so i fear we might never get an answer or an update that addresses this.

    Greetz,

    Unr3aL

    I understand. I don't know if i agree.

    According to Evolv support it is taken in account. We can speculate but without any further info it's difficult to find out.

    What i think is worst is the total lack of any noticeable documentation. And i do understand that the fraction of users looking for that documentation do not worth to even produce it.

     

  21. DNA 250c - Case Analyzer - Cooldown AMPs over 0

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    Posted · Edited by rcamarda

    Hello,

    I've connected the box to Escribe, updated the firmware and then run the Case Analyzer. 

    During every cooldown round the AMPs to the box were not 0. It fluctuates around 0 by some mAMP towards the positive side. 

    This lead the temperature to raise and stabilize around 6/7 °C over the room temp.

    This seems to invalidate the Analysis as during the cooldown the box should be left free to cooldown towards room temp.

    Using the monitor and disabling USB recharge in Diagnostic allow the 0 AMP on USB and the box drift to the room temperature properly.

    Some details on setup:

    • VTBOX 250c
    • Escribe last stable (tried on linux and windows on two differente laptops)
    • Used different USB cables

     

  22. Escribe - extended documentation and manual

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    23 hours ago, Wayneo said:

    A user here created a series of videos that I agree with. A series of 4 back in 2017 that are still valid today. Here's the one for thermal calibration.   https://youtu.be/BlVWc49qbPY

    That older board had 1 less case value than a color board but it's still valid. Escribe also shows definitions for each value if you hover over the words.

    Thermal calibration should have been done by the manufacturer, and it was, by some, years ago. Luckily we have access to the same tools.You can do the calibration more than once if you wish to verify the results. Mods are made with so many different enclosures (Stainless Steel, wood, zinc, 3D printing) all with different thermal characteristics. So a pdf would not be useful, but you can see their defaults and compare if yours are vastly different.

    Which mod/board do you have?

    You really should not discount Replay so quickly. It gives you 'dry hit' protection without all the hassles. I'm sitting here with 4 mods. All calibrated. 2 older non color mods using TC, 2 color mods using Replay. 

    Thanks to point me out to that videos. I already watched them. About that specific one it seems that the box for case analysis just go thoriugh some charge and cool down of the box. Why should i build an atom with a long wire? At this point having the atomizer on the box is marginal.

    I've a VTBox 250c.

     

    About the replay i just love it and I really think is a massive feature ;). Just saying that we should have a detailed manual of escribe even you could use it out of the box without any escribe interaction.

     

  23. Escribe - extended documentation and manual

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    15 ore fa, Wayneo ha scritto:

    No, not as you describe or imagine. Here's a great video tutorial on the board and Theme Designer. The video lingo, or escribe will get you familiar with DNA words

    DJLSB vapes - Evolv DNA 75 C Full Review with eScribe and Theme Editor Tutorial - https://youtu.be/1dvBpTm-FQM

    Other than that, the search feature works well or even creating a post like you just did. Hovering over fields in escribe will often give definitions as well.

    Welcome 👋

    Thanks for your answer. I do understand. 

    That being said I think that's a big miss. Most of escribe users are advanced ones and are able to go through a comprehensive manual. Others will stick to replay. 

    For example. I'm confronting with case analysis. How do I have to build the atom, which atom is suggested. What is an acceptable output from the test? How to verify it's being performed properly. If you dig around you find dozens of opinions and interpretation.

    Will go through others 10 videos to have 10 different opinions and to have to rewatch a video to access some infos that I would get to in 1 Min if those were on a pdf document. 

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