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Can you please help and share your experience 

Which pg vg ration do i used if i am using free base nicotine 12 mg on both orion dna coils the 0hm 0.25 and 0.5 ohm?is it ok to use the 70 pg and 30 vg ?

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i wouldnt say this isnt a matter of what coils suit what ratio mix of juice but its subject of taste usually more VG would be less flavour but produces more cloud , that's why most juice is made 70 / VG - 30/PG this ratio seem to be a sweet spot for flavour and cloud production - remember the more PG you have carries the flavour better but also gives you a harsher throat hit .. what wattage or coil is nearly irrelevant but in my experience if you want a very clean sort of pure taste i would try stainless steel 316L or some say 317L the resistance is down to yourself - i normally vape between 40 to 65 watts on dual stainless steel round about  0.2 to 0.25ohm - nichrome wire is also another i use 

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plus the orion is  suppose to be a MTL experience so build coils accordingly to that which are typical 1 ohm to 1.8ohms which are not sub ohm and the wattage is usually around 15 to 20 watts and no higher really to get that MTL experience

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4 hours ago, formula 1 said:

i wouldnt say this isnt a matter of what coils suit what ratio mix of juice but its subject of taste usually more VG would be less flavour but produces more cloud , that's why most juice is made 70 / VG - 30/PG this ratio seem to be a sweet spot for flavour and cloud production - remember the more PG you have carries the flavour better but also gives you a harsher throat hit .. what wattage or coil is nearly irrelevant but in my experience if you want a very clean sort of pure taste i would try stainless steel 316L or some say 317L the resistance is down to yourself - i normally vape between 40 to 65 watts on dual stainless steel round about  0.2 to 0.25ohm - nichrome wire is also another i use 

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On 1/24/2019 at 10:56 PM, Monir said:

Can you please help and share your experience 

Which pg vg ration do i used if i am using free base nicotine 12 mg on both orion dna coils the 0hm 0.25 and 0.5 ohm?is it ok to use the 70 pg and 30 vg ?

Thanks alot

THE FORMULA DESCRIBED ABOVE DOESN"T SEEM TO APPLY TO YOUR ORION QUESTION. 

IN A NUTSHELL, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A 50/50 E-LIQUID OF WHATEVER STRENGTH YOU LIKE. 

  • I OWN 5 ORIONS AND HAVE BEEN ROTATING THEM SINCE LATE OCTOBER IF MEMORY SERVES.
  • We don't have options on what metal are pods are made with. Lost Vape has made that decisions for us. We can only program the wattage, up to a max of 40.  I never go beyond 20 + boost. 
  • Lost Vape suggests in the owners manual that freebase nicotine should be used with the 0.25 ohm coil and that nic salts can be used in the 05 ohm coils (as well as the new Q coils). In truth, nic salts can be used in the 0.25 ohm but I wouldn't go higher than 35 mg niece salts as 50 gives you a buzz. it's your decision wha mg and which nicotine you use in any of their pods.
  • VG/PG RATIO IS A GREAT QUESTION & WARRANTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF A FEW FACTORS. 
  • E-liquid is the combination of 3 or 4 things.  Flavored adult lube is almost identical in composition (vegetable glycerin, flavorings & corn starch).
  1. nicotine  - in either a pg or vg base
  2. flavorings - in a pg base (most common)
  3. PG - or not for Max VG e-liquids
  4. VG -  smooth and tasty enough to vape by itself if the vapocaplyse comes and I could only bring 1 thing. After a few years you may be down to 0 or 3 mg and still want to enjoy the pleasures of vaping. This is the stuff to go with, its the stuff to clear your tank between flavors now (go buy some), the same stuff my Mom puts in her salads & teas. 

YOUR NICOTINE and Flavor content:

  • Your 12 mg nicotine is a freebase e-liquid.  Good level. WHERE DID YOU START AT? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE? 
  • In the Orion you are good to go with freebase in any of their pods and while 70/30 works, 60/40 or 50/50 works better.
  • If you aren't familiar with the differences between freebase and nic salts I suggest you do more research to better understand it.
  • I'm not a chemist, but have been making my own e-liquid well over a year now.  I make them with both types of nicotine. Nic salts require a higher percentage of flavoring and usually have a higher nicotine content that freebase nicotine e-liquids.  Example:
  1.  If I make 100ml of a strawberry pineapple cream like Illuminati tastes, the freebase version might include 10ml PG based flavorings (4 in all), 20ml pure PG, 12 ml VG based nic (100mg/ml), 18 ml Kosher VG resulting in a 70/30 e-liquid good for any Subohm tank.
  2. The same flavor profile for a nic salt version might include 16ml PG based flavorings, 34ml Pure VG, 35ml VG nic salts & 15ml VG for a 50/50 e-liquid designed for a pod like the Orion, the Nord, the Breeze II and others.
  • DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE BIG NUMBERS. Many people who used pod systems like the Juul when transitioning switched from that 50mg nic salt directly to a 6mg freebase easily... once they became quit from  smoking. You can go back and forth. The nic level should be matched for the device you are using. 
  • I would suggest you try a 24mg nic salt  like Time Bomb or Yami's Taruto 35mg salt nic which are both a 50/50 ratio. As are Dinner Lady, Naked 100 and Vaptesia nic salt lines. You will find with nic salts you take less puffs and yet feel very satisfied.
  • From my experience the coils will give you the best lifecycle at 50/50 too.

THE VG/PG RATIO:

  • Yes VG can produce a larger cloud, but wattage limits that top a certain extent. The VG/PG ratio plays an important factor in wicking.
  • With my Orions 70/30 has required I regularly take a 'wicking pull' to get e-liquid into the chimney side of the pod/ it burns out my pod within 2 weeks (vs 5-6). 
  • 70VG/30PG is fairly thick (did you reverse pg/vg in your question). Higher VG adds a thicker viscosity to your e-liquid. This means you must allow more time for your wick to saturate and keep up with your coils. 
  • Yes PG carries flavor better, in the short run. Flavors do oxidize in the VG well given a longer steep time. Its all about the oxidation process.
  • Years ago 60PG/40VG & higher was commonplace. Then 50/50 emerged reigning until 2014 (?) when 70VG/30PG and Max VG became more readily available.
  • At the same time nic salts hit the market in 2014. 
  • Some people have an allergy to PG. PG by itself doesn't taste great and many e-liquids include more sweetener to offset this. VG on the other hand has a pleasant sweet taste on its own so less is added. Sweetener can have a negative effect on your coil life. While 70/30 is what you see most e-liquids at, I believe some like Beard use 60VG/40PG for their freebase nicotine line. You might want to try that next.  I don't notice a big difference from what parent company Charlies Chalk Dust offers in 70/30 for flavor. I think 60/40 works well for people who use mid range wattage and ohms. 
  • NIC SALTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS MADE AT 50/50 & THESE E-LIQUIDS WERE REALLY DESIGNED FOR USE IN POD SYSTEMS EXCLUSIVELY. SIMILARLY MANY POD SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH NIC SALTS. You should never use them above 25 Watts or in an rda. 
  • You are more likely to burn your cotton/get a dry hit in the Orion with 70/30 e-quids. 
  • Don't worry about the clouds but be considerate of those around you when you vape.

VAPING SAVES LIVES AND YOU ARE HELPING.

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1 hour ago, mrphilip said:

THE FORMULA DESCRIBED ABOVE DOESN"T SEEM TO APPLY TO YOUR ORION QUESTION. 

IN A NUTSHELL, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A 50/50 E-LIQUID OF WHATEVER STRENGTH YOU LIKE. 

  • I OWN 5 ORIONS AND HAVE BEEN ROTATING THEM SINCE LATE OCTOBER IF MEMORY SERVES.
  • We don't have options on what metal are pods are made with. Lost Vape has made that decisions for us. We can only program the wattage, up to a max of 40.  I never go beyond 20 + boost. 
  • Lost Vape suggests in the owners manual that freebase nicotine should be used with the 0.25 ohm coil and that nic salts can be used in the 05 ohm coils (as well as the new Q coils). In truth, nic salts can be used in the 0.25 ohm but I wouldn't go higher than 35 mg niece salts as 50 gives you a buzz. it's your decision wha mg and which nicotine you use in any of their pods.
  • VG/PG RATIO IS A GREAT QUESTION & WARRANTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF A FEW FACTORS. 
  • E-liquid is the combination of 3 or 4 things.  Flavored adult lube is almost identical in composition (vegetable glycerin, flavorings & corn starch).
  1. nicotine  - in either a pg or vg base
  2. flavorings - in a pg base (most common)
  3. PG - or not for Max VG e-liquids
  4. VG -  smooth and tasty enough to vape by itself if the vapocaplyse comes and I could only bring 1 thing. After a few years you may be down to 0 or 3 mg and still want to enjoy the pleasures of vaping. This is the stuff to go with, its the stuff to clear your tank between flavors now (go buy some), the same stuff my Mom puts in her salads & teas. 

YOUR NICOTINE and Flavor content:

  • Your 12 mg nicotine is a freebase e-liquid.  Good level. WHERE DID YOU START AT? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE? 
  • In the Orion you are good to go with freebase in any of their pods and while 70/30 works, 60/40 or 50/50 works better.
  • If you aren't familiar with the differences between freebase and nic salts I suggest you do more research to better understand it.
  • I'm not a chemist, but have been making my own e-liquid well over a year now.  I make them with both types of nicotine. Nic salts require a higher percentage of flavoring and usually have a higher nicotine content that freebase nicotine e-liquids.  Example:
  1.  If I make 100ml of a strawberry pineapple cream like Illuminati tastes, the freebase version might include 10ml PG based flavorings (4 in all), 20ml pure PG, 12 ml VG based nic (100mg/ml), 18 ml Kosher VG resulting in a 70/30 e-liquid good for any Subohm tank.
  2. The same flavor profile for a nic salt version might include 16ml PG based flavorings, 34ml Pure VG, 35ml VG nic salts & 15ml VG for a 50/50 e-liquid designed for a pod like the Orion, the Nord, the Breeze II and others.
  • DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE BIG NUMBERS. Many people who used pod systems like the Juul when transitioning switched from that 50mg nic salt directly to a 6mg freebase easily... once they became quit from  smoking. You can go back and forth. The nic level should be matched for the device you are using. 
  • I would suggest you try a 24mg nic salt  like Time Bomb or Yami's Taruto 35mg salt nic which are both a 50/50 ratio. As are Dinner Lady, Naked 100 and Vaptesia nic salt lines. You will find with nic salts you take less puffs and yet feel very satisfied.
  • From my experience the coils will give you the best lifecycle at 50/50 too.

THE VG/PG RATIO:

  • Yes VG can produce a larger cloud, but wattage limits that top a certain extent. The VG/PG ratio plays an important factor in wicking.
  • With my Orions 70/30 has required I regularly take a 'wicking pull' to get e-liquid into the chimney side of the pod/ it burns out my pod within 2 weeks (vs 5-6). 
  • 70VG/30PG is fairly thick (did you reverse pg/vg in your question). Higher VG adds a thicker viscosity to your e-liquid. This means you must allow more time for your wick to saturate and keep up with your coils. 
  • Yes PG carries flavor better, in the short run. Flavors do oxidize in the VG well given a longer steep time. Its all about the oxidation process.
  • Years ago 60PG/40VG & higher was commonplace. Then 50/50 emerged reigning until 2014 (?) when 70VG/30PG and Max VG became more readily available.
  • At the same time nic salts hit the market in 2014. 
  • Some people have an allergy to PG. PG by itself doesn't taste great and many e-liquids include more sweetener to offset this. VG on the other hand has a pleasant sweet taste on its own so less is added. Sweetener can have a negative effect on your coil life. While 70/30 is what you see most e-liquids at, I believe some like Beard use 60VG/40PG for their freebase nicotine line. You might want to try that next.  I don't notice a big difference from what parent company Charlies Chalk Dust offers in 70/30 for flavor. I think 60/40 works well for people who use mid range wattage and ohms. 
  • NIC SALTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS MADE AT 50/50 & THESE E-LIQUIDS WERE REALLY DESIGNED FOR USE IN POD SYSTEMS EXCLUSIVELY. SIMILARLY MANY POD SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH NIC SALTS. You should never use them above 25 Watts or in an rda. 
  • You are more likely to burn your cotton/get a dry hit in the Orion with 70/30 e-quids. 
  • Don't worry about the clouds but be considerate of those around you when you vape.

VAPING SAVES LIVES AND YOU ARE HELPING.

 

again my point  ,opinions are subjective along with flavour you get with whatever ratio you want to go with , there is no opinion that is right here , so i'm not going to bite from somebody who clearly thinks he knows it all , opnions are like arse holes everyone has one

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Thanks alot i am using black note 50 50 12mg and its working fine but the pod doesnt last for long max 3 days aound 650 puffs on the 0.5 coil

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On 2/26/2019 at 2:15 PM, mrphilip said:

THE FORMULA DESCRIBED ABOVE DOESN"T SEEM TO APPLY TO YOUR ORION QUESTION. 

IN A NUTSHELL, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A 50/50 E-LIQUID OF WHATEVER STRENGTH YOU LIKE. 

  • I OWN 5 ORIONS AND HAVE BEEN ROTATING THEM SINCE LATE OCTOBER IF MEMORY SERVES.
  • We don't have options on what metal are pods are made with. Lost Vape has made that decisions for us. We can only program the wattage, up to a max of 40.  I never go beyond 20 + boost. 
  • Lost Vape suggests in the owners manual that freebase nicotine should be used with the 0.25 ohm coil and that nic salts can be used in the 05 ohm coils (as well as the new Q coils). In truth, nic salts can be used in the 0.25 ohm but I wouldn't go higher than 35 mg niece salts as 50 gives you a buzz. it's your decision wha mg and which nicotine you use in any of their pods.
  • VG/PG RATIO IS A GREAT QUESTION & WARRANTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF A FEW FACTORS. 
  • E-liquid is the combination of 3 or 4 things.  Flavored adult lube is almost identical in composition (vegetable glycerin, flavorings & corn starch).
  1. nicotine  - in either a pg or vg base
  2. flavorings - in a pg base (most common)
  3. PG - or not for Max VG e-liquids
  4. VG -  smooth and tasty enough to vape by itself if the vapocaplyse comes and I could only bring 1 thing. After a few years you may be down to 0 or 3 mg and still want to enjoy the pleasures of vaping. This is the stuff to go with, its the stuff to clear your tank between flavors now (go buy some), the same stuff my Mom puts in her salads & teas. 

YOUR NICOTINE and Flavor content:

  • Your 12 mg nicotine is a freebase e-liquid.  Good level. WHERE DID YOU START AT? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE? 
  • In the Orion you are good to go with freebase in any of their pods and while 70/30 works, 60/40 or 50/50 works better.
  • If you aren't familiar with the differences between freebase and nic salts I suggest you do more research to better understand it.
  • I'm not a chemist, but have been making my own e-liquid well over a year now.  I make them with both types of nicotine. Nic salts require a higher percentage of flavoring and usually have a higher nicotine content that freebase nicotine e-liquids.  Example:
  1.  If I make 100ml of a strawberry pineapple cream like Illuminati tastes, the freebase version might include 10ml PG based flavorings (4 in all), 20ml pure PG, 12 ml VG based nic (100mg/ml), 18 ml Kosher VG resulting in a 70/30 e-liquid good for any Subohm tank.
  2. The same flavor profile for a nic salt version might include 16ml PG based flavorings, 34ml Pure VG, 35ml VG nic salts & 15ml VG for a 50/50 e-liquid designed for a pod like the Orion, the Nord, the Breeze II and others.
  • DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE BIG NUMBERS. Many people who used pod systems like the Juul when transitioning switched from that 50mg nic salt directly to a 6mg freebase easily... once they became quit from  smoking. You can go back and forth. The nic level should be matched for the device you are using. 
  • I would suggest you try a 24mg nic salt  like Time Bomb or Yami's Taruto 35mg salt nic which are both a 50/50 ratio. As are Dinner Lady, Naked 100 and Vaptesia nic salt lines. You will find with nic salts you take less puffs and yet feel very satisfied.
  • From my experience the coils will give you the best lifecycle at 50/50 too.

THE VG/PG RATIO:

  • Yes VG can produce a larger cloud, but wattage limits that top a certain extent. The VG/PG ratio plays an important factor in wicking.
  • With my Orions 70/30 has required I regularly take a 'wicking pull' to get e-liquid into the chimney side of the pod/ it burns out my pod within 2 weeks (vs 5-6). 
  • 70VG/30PG is fairly thick (did you reverse pg/vg in your question). Higher VG adds a thicker viscosity to your e-liquid. This means you must allow more time for your wick to saturate and keep up with your coils. 
  • Yes PG carries flavor better, in the short run. Flavors do oxidize in the VG well given a longer steep time. Its all about the oxidation process.
  • Years ago 60PG/40VG & higher was commonplace. Then 50/50 emerged reigning until 2014 (?) when 70VG/30PG and Max VG became more readily available.
  • At the same time nic salts hit the market in 2014. 
  • Some people have an allergy to PG. PG by itself doesn't taste great and many e-liquids include more sweetener to offset this. VG on the other hand has a pleasant sweet taste on its own so less is added. Sweetener can have a negative effect on your coil life. While 70/30 is what you see most e-liquids at, I believe some like Beard use 60VG/40PG for their freebase nicotine line. You might want to try that next.  I don't notice a big difference from what parent company Charlies Chalk Dust offers in 70/30 for flavor. I think 60/40 works well for people who use mid range wattage and ohms. 
  • NIC SALTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS MADE AT 50/50 & THESE E-LIQUIDS WERE REALLY DESIGNED FOR USE IN POD SYSTEMS EXCLUSIVELY. SIMILARLY MANY POD SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH NIC SALTS. You should never use them above 25 Watts or in an rda. 
  • You are more likely to burn your cotton/get a dry hit in the Orion with 70/30 e-quids. 
  • Don't worry about the clouds but be considerate of those around you when you vape.

VAPING SAVES LIVES AND YOU ARE HELPING.

 

This is a great answer and I agree that the best vg/pg ratio for the Orion (or any other pod system) is 50/50. Thank you for explaining it so clearly. Combing the wick also helps a lot with wicking and coil life.

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