Misleading LiPo Specs from DNA200 Mod Manufacturers

[Cotay]

Anybody else bothered by the misleading marketing that we are starting to see from mod manufacturers regarding LiPo mAh ratings? 

Specifically, Hana lists the V200's battery as a "2850 mah Lithium Polymer battery (950mah 3s)" and Boxer is claiming a "3000mAh Lipo Battery Pack: (1000mAh / 3S1P / 3 Cell / 11.1V)."  Now I understand marketing spin fully, but this is at best negligence and at worst willfully and intentionally misleading.  In my opinion, the parentheticals don't get these manufacturers off the hook either. If they had indicated an 18650 equivalence (like Brandon and Opus have rightfully done), it would be an entirely different story. No LiPo battery manufacturer lists its specifications in this manner and in my opinion neither should mod manufacturers.

Everyone who knows anything about LiPo ratings understands that a true 2850mAh/3000mAh LiPo simply wouldn't fit in the V200 or Boxer enclosures.  Sure the watt hours of LiPo batteries are generally superior to ICR/IMR cells at a given amp rating, but the batteries in these things are not what these manufacturers appear to be intending to convey.  Those of us in these forums are likely to catch the BS, but to the uninformed, these misleading ratings are a disservice.  DNA200 mod manufacturers should be educating people properly about LiPo batteries and LiPo safety rather that trying to one-up the competition with inflated and misleading battery specifications.  This kind of garbage is only going to cause confusion for those who are new to LiPo technology and seems more about getting a leg up on the competition than making sure users fully understand the characteristics of LiPo batteries.  

Maybe it's just me, but I'm really disappointed in such manufacturers.  On principle I won't buy from any manufacturer that isn't dedicated to providing accurate and informative battery specifications.  Having spent the last 15 years as a corporate attorney for semiconductor manufacturers, I can tell you that I'd never approve any marketing materials with such inaccurate/misleading information.  Again, maybe it's just me...

[VapingBad]

A good point, but I think that many of us have almost given up on this sort of thing since a very popular battery rewrapper that specialises in supplying vapers switched to only quoting the pulse discharge on their batteries, I won't buy or recommend them, but unfortunately it seems to help their sales.  The conversion from 11.1 V mAh to 3.7 V mAh at least is not a safety issue, but I would like to see it at least qualified with the word equivalent or similar and ideally in Wh or an explanation.

[slutlab]

isn't Escribe capable of tracking mAh used?  I hope these companies get backlash, after people realize they're not getting mAh that they thought they were.  Especially, because there's such a huge advantage of mislabeling their specs.  If two companies sell the same type of mod, but one's correctly labeled as 950mAh, and the other's cheating using 2850mAh, there's no way the correctly labeled mod can compete.

[John]

Well, I think the technicality they're using is that there is 2850 mah worth of cells in there, they're just assembled into a series pack rather than a parallel pack. 

It isn't ideal, but I get why they're doing it. A 3x 950 pack will give you about the same runtime as a 1s 2850, because it is the same energy either way. 

Really they should just advertise the capacity in watt hours. That's why we do it that way on the device and in Escribe. Watt hours is correct and clear regardless of what kind of cells, how many, and in what configuration. 

It doesn't upset me as much as "6.5hp" shop vacs that plug into a standard 120v outlet and draw 14 amps, at least.

[Cotay]

I think it's a bit more misleading than simply an intent to list the combined mAh rating of the individual series cells.  Listing them as "equivalent to" is fair game, but saying that someone is getting something they are not is not acceptable.   The way the specifications are written for these mods is clearly intended to convey something more than the equivalence in runtime; they categorically state up front that they have 2850mAh/3000mAh Lipos and they don't.  I've already seen less informed folks on other forums being confused by this.

[Tomr1088]

I feel the same way. But i can see why it's done. What's the first thing 75 percent of vapers do when they see 1000 or 950mah dna200 mods. They start rambling about how crappy the battery capacity is and blah blah I'll stick too my 18650s with 3000mah for one cell. At least we have the knowledge to know what's what but if 75 percent of people didn't there not gonna buy the mod with the 950mah label on it next to the same mod with the 3000mah label. So at least the misleading numbers don't actually change the runtime of the unit. I hate it too but it won't change. It's just like amp rating mentioned above. It'll catch on when lipo becomes more popular.

[KTMRider]

So it's marketing to ignorant people. Should we be offended? Maybe. 

[Tomr1088]

Surely we should. It's all I see in the forums is bitching that evolv suck blah blah why 200 watts why have such small battery capacity. There's no talking sense lol. But I'm sure the manufacturers are also trying to compare pe*is sizes

[KTMRider]

[Tomr1088]

I will add that Hana actually changed their description on the website and it now says that it has a 950mah 3s lipo (equivalent to 2850mah)

[Cotay]

Good for Hana...I respect their quick move to change it.