Problems and getting a bit frustrated

[smlemmon]

Hi,

I am relatively new to vaping, about 3 month now.

I purchased my Realeaux DNA 200 about a month ago now, but am really struggling with TC modes.

I have a few different tanks and nearly always use SS316L or NI200 Coils.

At the moment, I have been using the following:-

Aspire Cleito with the 0.4 ohm SS316L coils
Uwell Crown with the 0.15 ohm NI200 coils
Herakles V2 with the 0.2 ohm SS316L coils.

I seem to be experiencing the same problem with all of them and I am starting to wonder if it is something I am blatently doing wrong.

I have set up all the profiles for the different tanks / wires etc and downloaded the correct TCR's (particularly for the 316L coils)

The problem that I have is that sometimes the vape will be perfect, other times it will be really cold, and others, so hot it burns my mouth.

For example, I am currently using the Herakles V2 with the 0.2 ohm SS316L coil.

When I first attached to the DNA tonight, I set it to 60W, 480 degrees farenheit. The ohms were showing 0.21. At this point, I did not lock the ohms.

It ran perfectly for about two hours.

After that, the vape became really cold. I hadnt changed a thing. 

I then tried locking the ohms, to no effect.

I removed and re-attached the tank a couple of times, to no avail.

I then removed the tank and re-attached a third time and the DNA asked me if it was a new coil.

I clicked yes, vaped on the unit and it was so hot, it about took my head off.

This is the experience I am getting on all of the tanks mentioned above

I really need some help with this if at all possible as it is driving me absolutely nuts. I am just about at the point of giving up on TC, and going back to variable watts mode instead.

This of course negates the need for my DNA device and I will just end up going and getting a cheaper VW unit which I really do not want to do.

I have attached my profiles for my tanks mentioned above as well as the settings file for my Realeaux device.

I am really hoping that someone will be able to advise me of what I am doing wrong.

Many thanks in advance.

Simon

Cleito.ecigpr

HeraklesSS316L.ecigpr

SimonWismecDNA200.ecig

UwellCrownNi200_0_2.ecigpr

[VapingBad]

When you lock ohms you need to do it when it is vaping right and maybe you locked it when you have a poor vape which would cause it to continue giving a poor vape.

The getting an overly hot, could it be the wrong wire type selected, if the right wire type is selected it would mean the device has the base resistance too high this could be fitting the atty when it's worm or a poor connection.

It is always worth cleaning atty connections and checking coil connections with these sort of problems as they are the most likely cause.  If the wire type is correct a high base resistance would cause a hotter vape and if the base resistance is too low it would cause a weak vape.

[smlemmon]

Hi VapingBad, Thank you so much for replying so quickly. I tried locking the ohms when the cape as very cold. It made no difference so I unlocked it again. The Vape was still cold. That was when I tried removing the rank a couple of times, and the third and last time of reattaching the tank resulted in the Vape becoming red hot. The Herakles tank is brand new, and the contacts on the dna are immaculate. I added the 316l tcr from the steam-engine site, and both the cleito and herakles tank supposedly use this wire. If it had only happened on one tank or even one coil, then I maybe could have understood it more, but am seeing the same symptoms from three totally different tanks and coils. I have even thrown coils away as I thought they were faulty. All the stainless coils work perfectly though in VW mode. I am convinced I have done something stupid with the profiles, but I just cannot spot what I have done. Simon

[awsum140]

When it's "misbehaving

Have a look at it in device monitor, that'll help pinpoint the problems.  Usually, when I see things like this, my first impulse is to say check all connections, coils, 510 and even internally on the mod itself.  Something is triggering this kind of behavior that is "out of the ordinary".  JMHO.

[BillW50]

Hi smlemmon. And your Ni200 coils does the same thing? I can see SS316L having this problem, but Ni200 too? And does it act up more when you left it alone for 10 minutes or longer?

One thing that might help with each tank. Whether it is working or not, write down what it says the cold ohms is for each. Now when it changes, recheck to see if the cold ohms stays the same.

[smlemmon]

Hi BillW50, Yes, see exactly the same issue for both Ss316L and NI200. It usually seems to correct itself if I leave it overnight and I can go back to a normal Vape for a couple of hours. It certainly does not correct itself within 10 minutes. I have checked the cold ohms and they do seem to remain the same +/-0.01ohms. Awsum150 - I will try and take a look at the device monitor to see what is going on, but I am not 100 % certain what characteristics I should be looking for to determine what the issue may be. Simon

[awsum140]

Well, if it's turning into a "cold" vape that, I suspect, would indicate s sever power drop off.  That could be caused by voltage sag or resistance running high and I'd be on resistance.  Another problem could be sporadic poor wicking forcing heavy temperature control.

[BillW50]

Hi smlemmon. You know when changing coils, tanks, etc. that if the coils isn't at room temperature, it throws the TC way off. If the coil is warmer than room temperature, the TC will be too hot. If the coil is colder than room temperature, it will too cool. How long do you have to wait for the coil to get to room temperature? It depends on a number of factors. But usually 10 minutes at a minimal. Although it could take 30 minutes or longer. I just threw this out there in case you didn't know this.

[smlemmon]

Hi, my tanks are normally stored on a tank stand, so I would expect they are at room temperature. I would hope that the wicking is ok as these are all pre-manufactured coils by the likes of uwell, herakles, aspire etc. The cool Vape (although not great) s much better than the very hot Vape hat I get. It is so hot, it hurts. Taking into account that this seems to occur on various tanks, coils etc, and all the comments I am starting to wonder if this is a problem with the reeaux rather than my profiles. I am reluctant to start taking the unit apart as it is only a month or so old.

[BillW50]

Well I have two Reuleaux DNA200 and mine are fine. Both of mine were programmed back in January I believe. You know that Get Information button on the General tab? The only thing to mention about the Reuleaux is the short 510 socket. Any 510 longer than 4.6mm can damage it. But I figure you would see a change in cold ohms if that was it. You don't crank everything down and flush with the mod really tight do you?

[BillW50]

smlemmon said:

... I would hope that the wicking is ok as these are all pre-manufactured coils by the likes of uwell, herakles, aspire etc. The cool Vape (although not great) s much better than the very hot Vape hat I get. It is so hot, it hurts. Taking into account that this seems to occur on various tanks, coils etc, and all the comments I am starting to wonder if this is a problem with the reeaux rather than my profiles. I am reluctant to start taking the unit apart as it is only a month or so old.

Speaking of such... this is a long shot... but if your e-juice is really thick (high VG), it might not wick fast enough to keep up. This would be easy to find out. Don't vape so much and it gets better. Vape more and it gets worse.

Another thing I can think of is maybe your wattage is set too low and your temperature is set too high. So the more you vape, the hotter it gets. The less you vape, the cooler it gets. Also are you a mouth to lung (MTL) or a direct to lung (DTL) vaper? Or don't you know?

[BillW50]

I was just looking at your SimonWismecDNA200.ecig file and you could be set too hot (most Profiles are 500ºF or hotter) and your wattages are generally around 60 watts (that might be too low). And you're generally using 1 second preheat at 200 watts. It doesn't need to be that high (this has nothing to do with your problem though). Probably 100 to 120 watts would work out just fine.

[smlemmon]

Thanks BillW50,

I had tried setting the watts / heat to different values - anything from 440 degrees - 520 degrees and 40W-65W in all different variations.

When it was working nicely, perfection on the Herakles seemed to be around 55W / 460 degrees and I think the settings in my ecig file are from the last download after updating the unit itself.

I have another DNA Mod which I am going to try today with similar profiles. I only usually have that as my backup one, but am going to run that today and see if I get the same problem.

I will update this thread as I go on.

Many thanks for everyone's help.

Simon

[smlemmon]

OK, so an update.

I tweeked the settings this morning.

I set the power to 55W and the temp to 440 degrees farenheit.

I also changed the preheat to 0.3 seconds / 120W.

I have now been running this for the last 3 hours on my Herakles V2 with no problems whatsoever.

Whatever I have changed seems to have fixed it.

Ran the same profile on both DNA devices and they both seem to be working perfectly.

Thank you very much to all of you who have helped. It is very much appreciated.

Simon

[BillW50]

Okay great. Although if it gets too hot again, adjust the temperature down. If it gets too cool, turn up the wattage. Hopefully that will take care of it.