VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 hello all, I just recieved my therion 166 in the mail yesterday and it has been working pretty well. I am having a problem though. if i do some chain vaping on it, its like the temp gets stuck at whatever my max temp is set to and then when i try to hit it, it just says temp protection and I get no vapor. I also have it set to show temperature not temp protections when it hits max temp, so im not sure why its showing that message instead of my curret temp. If i then turn my temp up to 600f (have max temp set to 500f) and hit the fire button it shows at being at well over 500f even minutes after i have used it. I have it set to 70w and 500f preheat is 95w for 1 sec using steam engines's 316L file (I initially had it set to 50w and 420f with the same results). the wire im using is 3 core ss claptons from advanced vape and i have them spaced. the build is coming out to .12. Anyone have any advice on how to fix this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Hi, could you post a few screen shots...1.) Wire profile/settings screen2.) Mod Tab screen3.) Device Monitor while firing & having this issue...make sure you have 'Power', 'Power Set', 'Temperature', 'Temperature Set', 'Cold Ohms', 'Live Ohms' checked off...The 'Temperature Protected' message can be turned off under the 'Theme' tab... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 thanks for the reply. yes i did change temp protection to show temp in the setting thats why im not sure why its still showing that message. here are the screen shots you requested. I havent gotten around to setting anything for the battery. do you happen to know what i should set it as? i am using nothing but hg2 sets in this device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Looks like it is kicking out of TC into Power mode...I would check all my connections really good..very tight screws on deck..be sure 510 on both atty & mod are clean...maybe with some iso alcohol...at top of screen, go to 'Options>User Interface. & select manufacturer..it will give you more settings in the 'Mod' tab...need to see what everything else is set at...you will also be able to load battery curve .csv as well....below is the .csv for 2 LG HG2's... LG_HG2 (2)_18650_3000 mah_18.75 Wh.csv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 When you changed the temp protected to show temp, are you sure you uploaded to the device...I just changed it on my Therion 166 & it doesn't show the message if I change it to show temp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I have checked my screws they are as tight as I can get them without stripping the grub screws. I did clean the pin on my avocado 24 a few days ago but will do so again as well as the pin on the therion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 giz_60 said:When you changed the temp protected to show temp, are you sure you uploaded to the device...I just changed it on my Therion 166 & it doesn't show the message if I change it to show temp...Yes I did upload it to the device. It normally does show my current temp when at max temp, it is only when the device gets "stuck" at max wattage and i press the fire button does it show temp protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 If you look at the screen shot you posted of Device Monitor, you can see the live ohms, while firing, are fluctuating, which usually means there is some sort of connection issue. I would double check you screws as well because metal can expand & contract & cause the connection to become loose...along with cleaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 giz_60 said:If you look at the screen shot you posted of Device Monitor, you can see the live ohms, while firing, are fluctuating, which usually means there is some sort of connection issue. I would double check you screws as well because metal can expand & contract & cause the connection to become loose...along with cleaningOk I will tighten my screws and clean my pins, and see if that fixes this. Thank you again for your help and the csv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 giz_60 said:Hi, could you post a few screen shots...1.) Wire profile/settings screen That is your profile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 And when you get a chance, what I was asking for, as @Wayneo so pointed out, was a screen shot of the wire profile/settings for the 316L in the 'General Tab'...power,punch, yada yada... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sorry about that guys, still trying to get used to escribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retird Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Does the Therion 166 come with only the default Evolv thermal settings? See post #6 here... looks like your 166 has default Evolv thermal settings..... just wanted to mention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 retird said:Does the Therion 166 come with only the default Evolv thermal settings? See post #6 here... looks like your 166 has default Evolv thermal settings..... just wanted to mention... Yes it does...mine did as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 @VapePanther You posted profile 1 which looks good for TC. Your Device Monitor showed you were using Profile 2.Please Device Monitor while firing showing Profile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retird Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 hum, I would have thought LV would had at least ran Case Analyzer on the device and set accordingly,... oh well, not a part of this issue but just noted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 retird said:hum, I would have thought LV would had at least ran Case Analyzer on the device and set accordingly,... oh well, not a part of this issue but just noted.... You would think...the only LV mod I have that came with case thermals set was the Triade...Therion & Skar had Evolv defaults... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Wayneo said:@VapePanther You posted profile 1 which looks good for TC. Your Device Monitor showed you were using Profile 2.Please Device Monitor while firing showing Profile 1lol...trying to get it to lock up again. I just tightened the screws down. ill post a screen shot of the correct profile device manager here in a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 well it looks like the problem was my deck screws were not tight enough. i cant seem to get it to lock up again and im getting dizzy lol.Thanks for the fast help, sorry for the noob question and using the wrong profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Not a problem...glad to help & great that you got it working...stable connections are extremely important in TC on the DNA devices... You will need to run the case analyzer sometime to get the proper values for your device...just make sure your batteries are at least 50% discharged, if not more...will take awhile...I usually start it before I go to bed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Wayneo said:@VapePanther You posted profile 1 which looks good for TC. Your Device Monitor showed you were using Profile 2.Please Device Monitor while firing showing Profile 1Nice catch Wayneo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 giz_60 said:Not a problem...glad to help & great that you got it working...stable connections are extremely important in TC on the DNA devices... You will need to run the case analyzer sometime to get the proper values for your device...just make sure your batteries are at least 50% discharged, if not more...will take awhile...I usually start it before I go to bed... I see that lol, they were pretty tight but one of them I was able to snug up a bit. I'll run the analyzer here in a few hours my batteries should be down to 25% by then. Is the case analyzer a one time thing or do I need to run it every so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Anytime you see fluctuating ohms, it's most likely a resistance stability issue...only need to run case analyzer once, accept the values & then upload to device... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapePanther Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 well I spoke too soon just hit it a few more times and its doing it again. here is a screen shot of the device monitor.Im starting to think its my avocado 24 thats causing this problem. I threw on my fuji gta, hopefully its just that rdta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz_60 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 You might want to unscrew the 510 pin from the Avacodo & check to make sure that the screw that connects the pin to the build deck is tight as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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