Need a little help with my Thelema DNA 100c

[Azax]

Hello. i m vaping on a thelema dna 100c with evl reaper v3 0.3mm id, 5 wraps, .303 resistance,SS316 26awg. i am looking for help cause in the manual it's not settings, no instruction, nothing really besides buttons and battery safety.

regarding TC 316 : i let the coil cool down at temp room, then resample it and leave it unlocked(if i lock it, set temp to 260C but won't reach more than 155C so i leave it unlocked). set wattage mode to 90W and temp mode to 260 ( this is the only reasonable settings i got but still i get 30% of flavour than a Gen S TC SS mode) 

disabled preheat (75W default and punch 5 default), i do not understand a bit of it. i cannot find any settings someone is vaping in TC ss mode besides (wattage from 15-100W and temp from 195-410C<which i consider unsafe) + preheat power or preheat temp simultaneously.

1. is preheat stacking with TC ss316 wattage mode+temperature ?

2. should i enable preheat power/temperature? what are the settings for temp control+preheat pwr or temp control+preheat temp?

Thanks. 

[Wayneo]

This sounds like it's your first DNA device. Here's a great video tutorial on the board and Theme Designer. The video lingo, or escribe will get you familiar with DNA words

DJLSB vapes - Evolv DNA 75 C Full Review with eScribe and Theme Editor Tutorial - https://youtu.be/1dvBpTm-FQM
And here's the datasheet for the 75C with more explanations.       https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna75color.pdf

Can you post 2 screenshots for me. The first being a Device Monitor while firing with the 'Power', 'Power Set', 'Cold Ohm' and 'Live Ohm' checkboxes enabled. The second being the Profile you're using. When you start escribe THAT profile # is shown as 'Current Profile'.

When not using TC, so straight watts, how many watts are you using for an enjoyable vape?

[Azax]

"Can you post 2 screenshots for me. The first being a Device Monitor while firing with the 'Power', 'Power Set', 'Cold Ohm' and 'Live Ohm' checkboxes enabled. The second being the Profile you're using. When you start escribe THAT profile # is shown as 'Current Profile'."

yes, it is first dna device. cold ohm you mean first vape after letting it cool down and live ohm, the next vapes after cold? 

 

"When not using TC, so straight watts, how many watts are you using for an enjoyable vape?"

usually around 18-24W. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Azax

[Wayneo]

Perfect, and thank you. 

Well, you're certainly reaching that 220°C that you've set. Notice that solid horizontal red line, and that other red one that extends up to it (all 4 puffs).
I believe you when you said 18-24W, because the final puff shows it was at 18.20W (value on the last puff, just below the squiggly green line) 

So I don't understand why you would set it at 60W. That is causing you to BLAST to that specific temp, and in case TC fails for some reason, you're in for a world of hurt.

Depending on your juice, does it taste all right? You can easily blast through some flavors completely. IMHO you could easily drop the power to 30 watts and still reach that temp.

Especially on an MTL setup, with straight wire, you shouldn't have a need for Preheat.

[Wayneo]

Was there any special reason you chose 220°C? Do you look at that temp set as a high limit that you don't want to exceed, OR you really like your juice flavors at that temp, OR you're just really looking for dry hit protection?

Now I'll go look at your initial post again

20 hours ago, Azax said:

... i let the coil cool down at temp room, then resample it and leave it unlocked(if i lock it, set temp to 260C but won't reach more than 155C so i leave it unlocked)

Once you've checked your coil for hotspots, etc. and it's at ambient temp you should remeasure for the 'cold ohm' value. You should only need to do that again if you change to a different profile. And you very very rarely ever should need to lock your ohms.

20 hours ago, Azax said:

... vaping in TC ss mode besides (wattage from 15-100W and temp from 195-410C<which i consider unsafe)

didn't understand the majority of this, but 300°C is the limit on these mods.

20 hours ago, Azax said:

1. is preheat stacking with TC ss316 wattage mode+temperature ?

2. should i enable preheat power/temperature? what are the settings for temp control+preheat pwr or temp control+preheat temp?

No idea what you mean for #1
#2. No, I don't think you need preheat at all. But if you do, the 'preheat power' (75W in your case BUT disabled) should be > 'power set' (60W in your case). And it's much easier to use the slider (1-11) compared to temp unless you know the temps that your specific juice components aerosolize at. That slider says how close your coil gets to that 'Temperature set' value (220°C in your case) before ending preheat

[Azax]

i am on MTL conversion evl reaper V3Ti, simple ss316 spaced coil, but the vape is (if i compare to my old mod gen S) something like either 30% of what i ve felt, either this is blowing other notes which i couldn't get with gen S, but i can't get the flavor i had on GenS.

[Azax]

2 minutes ago, Wayneo said:

Was there any special reason you chose 220°C? Do you look at that temp set as a high limit that you don't want to exceed, OR you really like your juice flavors at that temp, OR you're just really looking for dry hit protection?

Now I'll go look at your initial post again

Once you've checked your coil for hotspots, etc. and it's at ambient temp you should remeasure for the 'cold ohm' value. You should only need to do that again if you change to a different profile. And you very very rarely ever should need to lock your ohms.

didn't understand the majority of this, but 300°C is the limit on these mods.

No idea what you mean for #1
#2. No, I don't think you need preheat at all. But if you do, the 'preheat power' (75W in your case BUT disabled) should be > 'power set' (60W in your case). And it's much easier to use the slider (1-11) compared to temp unless you know the temps that your specific juice components aerosolize at. That slider says how close your coil gets to that 'Temperature set' value (220°C in your case) before ending preheat

1# if i set 220C + 60W on profile, then go to Preheat (i use hyperion-odin profile theme) i can set there another Wattage + punch level. does this stack with the profile? 

i saw 220C was safe to not get gunk/little black dots on muji cotton, usually i'd prefer it at 260C but i think it's not safe for SS at that temp. 

[Wayneo]

Buddy I still don't understand, and there are so many different themes ......, escribe shows the facts. Your theme should correspond to escribe values. You might need to re-read what I've written. What I can tell you is (using your Device Monitor print), your mod never even hit the 60 watts you set before starting that power spiral of death.

11 minutes ago, Azax said:

i saw 220C was safe to not get gunk/little black dots on muji cotton, usually i'd prefer it at 260C but i think it's not safe for SS at that temp. 

People post a lot of craziness. Both IMHO are dubious claims at best.

Did you try turning the watts down to 30?

[Azax]

19 minutes ago, Wayneo said:

Buddy I still don't understand, and there are so many different themes ......, escribe shows the facts. Your theme should correspond to escribe values. You might need to re-read what I've written. What I can tell you is (using your Device Monitor print), your mod never even hit the 60 watts you set before starting that power spiral of death.

People post a lot of craziness. Both IMHO are dubious claims at best.

Did you try turning the watts down to 30?

let's say i have SS 316 profile with 220 C  and under temp i have wattage which is set to 60W, then in this profile i have a preheat option, it's not a profile, it as an option > so if i enable preheat, does influence the profile? or ignores the profile with temp + wattage and just preheats. 

alright, i ll go 260C again.

yes i did, and felt it was taking longer to heat. maybe just my imagination.

also, i saw my battery sometimes ranges from 5-15mwh, what's the optimal discharge?

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Azax

[Wayneo]

7 minutes ago, Azax said:

then in this profile i have a preheat option, it's not a profile, it as an option > so if i enable preheat, does influence the profile?

Absolutely, but yours was disabled.

39 minutes ago, Wayneo said:

I don't think you need preheat at all. But if you do, the 'preheat power' (75W in your case BUT disabled) should be > 'power set' (60W in your case). And it's much easier to use the slider (1-11) compared to temp unless you know the temps that your specific juice components aerosolize at. That slider says how close your coil gets to that 'Temperature set' value (220°C in your case) before ending preheat

9 minutes ago, Azax said:

yes i did, and felt it was taking longer to heat. maybe just my imagination.

Great so with watts at 30, turn preheat on at 40w, punch 5. Still want quicker, try 7 or until it's quick enough for you.

14 minutes ago, Azax said:

also, i saw my battery sometimes ranges from 5-15mwh, what's the optimal discharge?

18.47mWh ................. You're joking right. 

[Azax]

14 minutes ago, Wayneo said:

Absolutely, but yours was disabled.

Great so with watts at 30, turn preheat on at 40w, punch 5. Still want quicker, try 7 or until it's quick enough for you.

18.47mWh ................. You're joking right. 

oh, thanks a lot for the preheat advice.

and for the battery, i mean when i puff, should i stay in a range of 5-7mwh? press less the fire button, or anything like that? i see people praising the dna for keeping their 21700 going for days.. my 21700 goes at best 12-16hours, and 18650 x2 per day. 

[Wayneo]

1 hour ago, Azax said:

and for the battery, i mean when i puff, should i stay in a range of 5-7mwh? press less the fire button, or anything like that? i see people praising the dna for keeping their 21700 going for days.. my 21700 goes at best 12-16hours, and 18650 x2 per day. 

NO NO NO. How did you ever use that other mod with way less information available for you to see or not see. Find a satisfying enjoyable vape using whatever temp or watts or preheat or not, and hit that power button.

More watts = more energy used

Longer puff = more energy used

Higher temp achieved = more energy used

More ml's vaped = more energy used

Just enjoy your mod(s) and carry spare batteries if you need to.

And if you're not getting gen S flavor ask me about Replay (much easier to dial in), no power spiral of death.

[dwcraig1]

Rather than rating battery life in hours try measuring how many mils of juice you have gone through.

[Azax]

dunno if i can get those settings as genS but for sure now i can vape what says on bottle, such as all notes and not only one intense.. guess i ll play with it more.

oh alright. i don't get cheap at juice, i smoke for pleasure. 

i understand, i thought ppl were monitoring battery just to get them through more days and chain vaping.. guess going through 15-20ml a day isn't a battery problem then.

now i m vaping at 230C 30W and preheat 45 and punch 7. anyone else's settings (for simple SS coil) i'd apreciate; or any other coil which fits in evl reaper v3 + settings.

thank you guys a lot <3. 

[dwcraig1]

 

This is with a DNA60. I start with building a coil for the desired wattage. Here it's 40 watt range. My only real concern is the overhead dry hit protection. Mine vapes exactly like a non temperature control device (wattage), that is till something unexpected happens like I run it out of juice. If it hits my temp setting and throttles down I'm not at all happy with it. To each their own I guess but this is how I've been doing it for a number of years. The coil here is 28 gauge SS430, two strands twisted together prior to coiling. 

 

 

[Azax]

35 minutes ago, dwcraig1 said:

 

This is with a DNA60. I start with building a coil for the desired wattage. Here it's 40 watt range. My only real concern is the overhead dry hit protection. Mine vapes exactly like a non temperature control device (wattage), that is till something unexpected happens like I run it out of juice. If it hits my temp setting and throttles down I'm not at all happy with it. To each their own I guess but this is how I've been doing it for a number of years. The coil here is 28 gauge SS430, two strands twisted together prior to coiling. 

 

 

thank you. may i ask how do you get that preheat time limit?

[dwcraig1]

EScribe settings are a bit different on the non color boards. It's just part of Escribe I'd say.

[dwcraig1]

Here's my 100c, same coil configuration, same juice.

[Azax]

guys, i ve encountered a problem. i ve reseted the device, installed the theme once more and i ve started vaping and found out that it's weird.. then went to device monitor, and i have the same settings as the old profile, my watts won't go beyond 13-15W.. what did i do? or what i did before?

[dwcraig1]

The first puff shows preheat more than 35 watts. It is hitting temp setting and throttling down. Start out by figuring what wattage that your build can handle, do that in wattage mode with TC off. Start low and go by taste. Then once you get that figured go back to TC, first with no preheat and then add some as needed. Your build and wicking as well as juice thickness and air flow will all effect how many watts it can handle. 

Note: Make sure that your cold coil settings is in fact made with a cold coil (room temp) otherwise the hot coil temp will not be close to accurate.

[Azax]

 

i had the same coil as before, and that was the last coil to check, now i m on wattage and clapton atm till my ss 316 arrives.

i did nothing besides restarting the device to default and installing the theme again, had the same coil, same settings but somehow the Watts were not going 24W like before, was dropping to 12-15.. i ll keep you posted after the new wire arrives.

 

Thank you for your time.

[Azax]

got my new wires, suddenly everything is back to normal.. washed the tank in vodka, gave it some fresh clean (air compressor)  and dried with paper towels.. now i have imported a 316L csv into the system and enjoying it.

8 wraps 28 awg 2.5id SS316L. 

i m having a problem in sweets/dessert department cause i get gunk in a day.. 

guess i m gonna always go dna <3.

[Azax]

Hello guys,i have found out some inconsistency in coil/ohm read. i use the same wire for my coils around 0.3-0.5ohm depends on the day. but i ve started to use mostly 6,5 wraps and i read 0.5ohm. good till now, when i put the atty back on the mod, read cold ohm and start vaping but sometimes it wants me to vape at 260C, sometimes 180C.. and i don't know why, i m doing the same thing over and over and device monitor shows Wattage is going all the way up 20w+ when sometimes it never goes beyond 15W..  dunno what is going on. 

 

now i m on 180C and it basically feels like 260C-280C

[dwcraig1]

Just to be clear here are you saying that the same coil reads 0.3 ohm then reads 0.5 ohm at times? (cold)

[Azax]

no, i build coils at around cold 0.5ohm (mostly all of them) and all of them act strangely. i ll explain the whole procedure: 

i remove the atty, dissasemble it,remove coil(0.5ohm),wash it and let it dry. the settings on the device are tc 316 30w 260C preheat 45.

i build another coil with the same wire same id same wraps, i get around 0.495-0.505 ohm on the ohmmeter, install everything and put the atty on the device.

next i let the device cool down, resample the coil and start vaping but my old settings (30w,260C,45preheat) are too aggresive, so i need to lower the temp to 170C+. i vape a couple of days and start building another coil, same wire, same ohm and the device is too soft to boil the liquid so i invrease back to 260C.. it's werid