[Trying to get the right vape in TC, but end up going back to wattage mode.]

I struggle with the different settings too,... maybe you read this post and join the conversation ?

https://forum.evolvapor.com/topic/70412-how-to-set-up-a-dna-properly/

Seems like the same problem we are already discussing there...

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

Thats what I like to archieve too.

But I am not yet at the point where I can record and re-play that perfect vape.

It's still work in progress. I really like to get to the point of "fire and forget"... but for that I first have to find the right settings.

That's why this post is not called "How to set up replay properly". I still fight with the other settings.

Replay is at the end of that process. But interesting that people still bring it up, even when the discussion is about the way to get there,

to get that great vape that is worth to replay it over and over again. Its not correct to say replay does everything for you...

You still have to find the right settings and then you can record that puff to replay it.

And then of course there are people who don't care and just want to vape and don't look for details how to refine it.

OK, some people also don't care about the food they eat. I do, and then you always end up in details and nuances and things get complicated or technical.

I don't care about the hussle, I like to archieve the optimum. Not only in vaping, but in general. When there is a possibility to make something better, I like to at least try it.

Does everyone have to do it ? No. But I think I am not the only one who don't likes things "standard" or they way they are when you get them "out of the box".

If it can be better with the available resources, why not go for it ? And if the tool/device has many options to manipulate settings, I try to get the best out of it !

That of course includes a lot of time, trying, rebuilding, re-setting, reading, understanding, questions and trying again and again.

Otherwise I would use a 5,-€ one-way vaping device from the gas-station and not a 150,-€ mod and some 130,-€ atomizers.

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

8 hours ago, DMAN said:

I just want a nice vape

And I want a perfect vape 😉

I guess that's the little differences in life...

It's like cooking. You can just throw anyting into a pot, or you can take a little more time and do it perfectly.

The result can be a big difference.

But when it is ok for you, don't bother. Noone will force you to do something.

Have a nice vape !

😉

[Mr. Theo Bottomfeeder]

Hast du mal "bottomfeeder" in das such-feld oben rechts eingegeben ?

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

2 hours ago, DMAN said:

I must be missing something here

you're absolutely right ;-)

But to elevate you to our level of discussion,... we were talking about the effects of TC, Preheat, Boost and Punch and some other options which changed the outcome of that vape.

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

Ok, got that, thanks 😉

I use some theme from this webpage... dunno the name, let me check...

Clean-Color-Black-ONE-WATT-2_4.ecigtheme

... which is quite detailed.

On the REPLAY tab I have switches for: Available, Ready and Active,

and a slider for Warmth.

On the PREHEAT tab I have a switch for Enable,

a Power setting in Watts, a Target Temp setting in °C,

and a Preheat/Punch slider.

Sorry, my mistake that I did not mentioned that I don't use the basic/standard theme.

[Replay maximum temperature?]

1 hour ago, Wayneo said:

Damn, I wished you hadn't noticed that

hehe, THAT never will work with me,... I have a special sense for little details 😉

But if you have said something like it is calibration related I could live with that.

But I guess I should try stop comparing the DNA75 with the new C-models.

(But it was so easy to handle and to set up... still my favourite, except for the battery problem)

https://forum.evolvapor.com/topic/70404-therion-dna75-outer-battery-not-discharging-how-to-fix-it/

And what about the slow monitor software ? any thoughts on that ? Until the version before, it was flawless...

Got a ubuntu upgrade too last week, but as the windows version is also laggy, that could not be the reason.

It just stops measuring after a minute or so, and then I have to wait for 1 or 2, and then it stops again after a couple of minutes...

Hard to work with, as I have to constantly wait for the right moment to make the puff...

About the "about me" page.. its in your profile... on the main page you get the activity view and on top of it there is a 2nd "tab" called "about me".

I filled it out right after the registration, but it seems noone can see it, which is a little bit silly, right ?

With a right-click on it I get this link :

https://forum.evolvapor.com/profile/211019-lanzarotechris/?tab=field_core_pfield_1

looks like this:

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

One last thing about the device monitor:

Since I got the latest versino installed its so slow and stuck always. I have literally wait for a minute or 2 for it to un-freeze.

I run it primarily on latest ubuntu linux, but also have a parallel installation on WIN8.1, and both behave the same. Its quite un-usable this way !

Any fixes on the way or any work-arounds ?

Also the readings on the same atty are different when connected with my DNA75 or the DNA250. The ohms are not identical for example (0,182 vs 0,174)

 

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

@Chris Musampa

Thank you chris, that sounds promising !

I will try that this weekend and will come back to you with my conclusions.

Only detail I am missing: What are the ohms that your setup is comming out with ?

You forgot to mention that 😉

I normally build around 0,3 ohms and vape around 30-50 watts, depending on atty, mod, juice and mood 😉

My hardware is:

1x18650 mod 75 W, a dual cell Therion DNA75, a Reuleaux RX300 (4x18650) a Desire 166 squonk mod (2x18650) and now the Triade DNA250C.

From the atty side: 2x single coil RTA, 5x dual coil RTA, 3x dual coil RDA, 1x mesh RDA and on transit from china is another dual coil RDA and a single coil RDA.

So I guess I am quite flexible what I can set up 😉

My main interest is in flavour, not in clouds (I guess I'm too old for that kiddy stuff) 😉

As I said, I will try all tips I got here this weekend.

Thanks again for your help !

Have a nice day !!!

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

@Wayneo

11 hours ago, Wayneo said:

Use your 30 watts in a straight Replay profile. No TC, just a TC capable material/wire. Adjust the BOOST PUNCH to Preheat your wire. Enable Replay, when you like the puff.

I will try this on the weekend. If it works then its the answer I was looking for... a simple systematic way to set new coils/attys up !

Wasn't my plan to complicate things. But I wonder why this kind of answer wasn't given from the beginning ?

BTW: As I was clicking around in the preheat section, I discovered that sometimes I can change the preheat temp and sometimes I can not.

Can't remember exactly what the circumstances were, but I will keep an eye open if it happens again.

Any idea to that ?

BTW2:

11 hours ago, Wayneo said:

and using terminology that has different meanings here.

What is this related to ? Which terms did I use wrong ? (not that I want to excuse for being a foreigner, but you never finish learning something new, right ?)

And I always try to explain things as detailed as possible to prevent confusion and missunderstandings...

[Replay maximum temperature?]

Thanks a lot... I was really missing the 2nd setting as I use an external charger.

Any idea why the different curves on the monitor, or why the ohms are different ?

Like I said: same atty, same settings, only different mod (DNA75 vs. DNA250C).

The ohms should be identical, right ? (and yes, I have had let them cool down)

BTW: just a thing about the forum navigation... where can I and others see my "About Me" page ?

I can't see it if I don't log in (external visitor like), but I can also noone's page too (I chaecked a few members pages and there is no lik to "About Me".

Is it only for the staff or what is its function ? I thought it would appear for at least forum-members who are interested and visit my profile page.

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

@retird

yes, I am frustrated,... I have never had so much trouble with a mod. And adding to that that noone seems to be able to explain the idea and/or the function behind some settings/values doesn't make it easier for me to find a proper (and reproducable) way to set it up. I worked over 15 years in customer service for computers (hard- and software) and if this product would be in my department I would kick the ass of the guy who built it 😉

Or as I always say: Keep it user-friendly, keep it simple, so everyone understands it ! Some products try to be a (as we in germany say:) a egg-legin wool-milk-pig... (like trying to put as much functions and settings into one piece of hard/software as possible...) But I think that is the wrong way to do things.

Point is: I was (and still am) so happy about my Therion DNA75, and even I love my eVic AIO, because they just work, and if the vape is not good, there are only 3 settings to tweak to make it good.

But this ... monster... how can you expect people to be happy about it when they have to guess and try to get even an exceptable vape out of it ?

I even can imagine if someone buys this thing and get to the point of frustration where I am now, they put it into the closet and start smoking again. Because smoking cigs is much more simpler ! Nothing to fiddle around, just put it into your mouth and light it up !

And THAT should not be a valid solution don't you think ? So from that point of view this product is really not how it should be.

And if someone now says "yeah, but its a sophisticated product for experienced vapers who know what to do with it" then I must reply, that that was never in any ad,

or any YT video ... they all just told me that replay is soooo simple because it does everything automatically for you !

Well,... maybe one day I will get to the point where I can finally activate the replay function because I finally got the vape I like to re-play !

Until now I am still searching for it...

 

@Wayneo

1 hour ago, Wayneo said:

I can't figure out if you're ranting about using your mod in Watts mode, Replay in watts mode, TC, or TC with Replay. And I cant talk about the UNKNOWN settings, cuz I just don't know about them.

Sorry, but I thought I mentioned it before:

16 hours ago, Lanzarotechris said:

I use a SS316L fused clapton wire (24GA*2 +32GA) on a single coil setup. It came out with 0,87 ohms. Its actually running with 30 watts now. 

On a "simple" mod I set it to 30 watts and that's it. Probably I will add some preheat as the coil is quite slow because of its mass (let's say 50% more power for 1 sek.)

If I want to use TC I change the watt/power mode to TC SS316L. Then I choose a decent temp (maybe related to the liquid I will use in the atomizer, as different flavours react at different temps) let's say 235°C.

So,... Wattage Mode works fine (like any other mod), but when I activate TC, the taste gets flat, so I have to raise the Wattage to get the same result as without TC.

When I think its ok, I activate Replay, and then the result changes again (I guess because of Boost/Punch/Bar) settings... and I have to re-set and to re-adjust again and again... and that is not only frustrating and a waste of time, but also user-unfriendly and confusing. And compared to the Therion DNA75 or even the cheap eVic AIO (40,-€) its quite unacceptable to be frank.

And now I prefer to vape on my old/cheap devices, as I can not get the same nice vape out of the sophisticated and expensive Triade DNA250C.

So I decided to post this request here to get some help, because I thought maybe I do something wrong, ... but now it seems like maybe its not my fault. I don't know how many users have the same negative experience (and for a forum its quite quiet here, sadly... I wish there would be more activity and maybe some people who agree or disagree, so there would be some "transfer of knowledge" between users) or at least can tell me how to proceed.

Some 20-30 years ago this post would be flooding with replies... well... ain't that times anymore I guess.

I started with the same settings like on the Therion DNA75, as I thought they are both DNA devices, so that is a good point to start from. But that seems not to be the case... so there is no consistency at all.

That and the fact that I own now 5 mods and 11 attys (and 2 more are on the way from china) makes me think that the Triade DNA250C is by far the worst buy I made for all vape gear.

Unless I may find a solution for my problems... maybe here,... maybe by trying another week with different settings,... I don't know. But I don't want to give up. Not only because of the money I spent on it (and won't get back) but also because I am a technician and think I handled some more difficult machines before. But to master it it would be very helpful to know what it does, right ?

And here the circle to my first post is complete 😉

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

1 hour ago, retird said:

There are many ways to adjust the settings to get the results you want.  I may do it one way and somebody else may do it another.

 

1 hour ago, retird said:

adjust preheat, boost, warmth, or whichever function you need to to get the coil heated quicker

 

1 hour ago, retird said:

Folks have different ways they set the settings to get the results they want

 

1 hour ago, retird said:

you will notice different settings are available depending on the Material you select.   Adjust till you get the hit you want

Now we get to my point... I quoted some of your comments, as that is exactly what I "complain" about... there are so many options, and, like I said in my first post, I try tweaking here, change setting there, ... since 1 f**king week, but I still can not find "THE" one setting that I am looking for.

I agree that there might be different ways to get to the point, but I can not find it by trying here and there without a plan. Until now its just a waste of time, and I am not closer to my target as I was 1 week before.

Like I said, on a "simple" mod there are 3 "screws" where I can adjust, power, temp and preheat. That is something I can scope with and keep track of. But with this I have like 10 screws, and for some of them there isn't a clear description what they actually do, so how am I supposed to know what I am doing right now ???

It feels like a car with 3 steering wheels... where it should have only one (if you know what I mean). So, is there some kind of "ruleset" or masterplan which I can follow to get what I want ? Or do I really need a certificate to use this ?

Then Evolvapor should probably put a Info into their ads that this product needs a special license to use 😉

Back to my request: I KNOW what MATERIAL I use, what OHMS the coil has, and I can tell more or less precise what WATTAGE I will run it.

I also can say that I need (or need not) PREHEAT and can give an estimate percentage of that (like in my example in the first post...)

THAT'S IT ! That's my facts I know ! Material, Ohms, Watts, and Preheat.

But BOOST, PUNCH and some of the other settings are UNKNOWN... so how should I know what they change if I just have no "data" or just a bar without any reference what it actually tells ??? Its fu**ing guesswork, and its not working for me.

For example: In the preheat settings I have a Wattage (additional to my main wattage setting) a Temp. (also, additional to my main Temp. setting, and a Preheat/Punch bar)... WTF ??? I guess not even you can tell me in what relationship they are to each other and to my main settings...

Do you get the point ? Its not user-friendly, its a mess ! Settings without values and no clear definition ! Who designs such a **** ?

Sorry for my bluntness, but some things really p*ss me off, and if companies tell me "hey Replay is great, it makes things sooo much easier, blablabla..." but then there are 20 different functions they don't tell you about, but that you have to find out by yourself before saving "the perfect vape" to REPLY it over and over again... and I wasted already much more time than I needed to learn building coils, then NO, its not a great device which makes things easier !

And now you tell me:

...people do it differently,.... bla,... folks have different ways,... blabla,.... just adjust it til you get what you want... bla...adjust preheat, boost, warmth, or whichever function you need...bla

So in short: You have no idea ! Noone has apparently, otherwise someone could explain it !

... thank you very much !

But as I am a positive thinking guy, and this is an open forum, where everybody can jump in,... PLEASE DO SO ! Where is that one person who can tell me what to do (or what you guys do,... )

Or alternatively I like to get some other users to confirm that they all have no clue and do just guessing and trying with different settings and by chance one day they find the combination of settings that produce an acceptable vape (wich of course is still not "THE" greatest vape, but they are also sick of try-guessing so they leave it at the acceptable-level before waisting more time on it).

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

I think you misunderstood my question.

I am not looking for a review or walk through the menu, and I know what the replay mode does (more or less).

What I am looking for is a description about how to set up a coil X from scratch.

In which sequence do I set the settings ? First preheat and then replay ? Or first boost and then punch ? Or the other way around ?

Or which setting do I have to change when the result is not successful ? Do I change the wattage or the boost or the punch or the bar of the replay ???

The reviews I already watched before I bought that device... AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO "YELL" ... I can read small letters just fine ;-)

And yes, there are a lot of videos out there,... so hey, maybe we can close this forum for good because every question is already answered somewhere on YT ?

I don't think everything is well explained on youtube... because like most "social" media, it lacks in depth... and THAT'S why there are forums like this...

for the people who have detailed questions that are not answered in the superficial world (like a forum with a 140 characters max. for an entry would be stupid too).

At least that is what I thought until now... maybe I am wrong.

If you manage your DNA as well as it sounds, maybe you can explain to me why I have difficulties to do so... and what I do wrong. That would be helpful.

[How to set up a DNA properly ?]

Hi guys and gals,

As I struggle with the different options on my Triade DNA250C, and seem to get lost in the settings,

maybe someone (from the evolv staff maybe) can explain it so every customer can act accordingly to get the best vape out of it.

---

Maybe we can use an example like this:

I use a SS316L fused clapton wire (24GA*2 +32GA) on a single coil setup. It came out with 0,87 ohms. Its actually running with 30 watts now.

---

On a "simple" mod I set it to 30 watts and that's it. Probably I will add some preheat as the coil is quite slow because of its mass (let's say 50% more power for 1 sek.)

If I want to use TC I change the watt/power mode to TC SS316L. Then I choose a decent temp (maybe related to the liquid I will use in the atomizer, as different flavours react at different temps) let's say 235°C.

---

That is my basic setup until now... I can raise or lower the wattage if it is too cold or too hot, I can raise/lower the preheat if the first puff is not decent,

and I can adjust the temp setting when in TC accordingly to the liquid to get the taste I like.

---

But now I have the Triade DNA250C, wich gives me much more options, like REPLAY, BOOST and/or PUNCH (and then with or without them of course),

some with temp settings, other with a bar, another with both of them. Then I also have even more options when using escribe.

---

How do I set it up correctly to get a decent vape, because when I change one of the many settings, the result is sometimes quite different (and problably influences the other settings I already made).

I normally love to have different options to get things done, but when it is getting too much, and one option changes the result drastically, so you have to manipulate the other options to "fix" it,

then it is not what I would call "user friendly" anymore. I changed different settings/values and it is either too cold or too hot or does not taste well, and I have no idea why or which specific setting/value is not right.

---

So someone at the manufacturer did probably put some thought into it, and had some general way to do things, but that part is missing in the maual 😉

I also don't want to spend hours to set up a coil to get a decent vape out of it.

---

But as my different approaches to that were not successful yet (and I change settings continously for about a week now !),

I really like to get some help (and I am shure some other people have or will have the same problem one day)

how I can do this in a systematic way, so I can do this over and over again with every coil/atomizer I own.

 

Thank you in advance for your help !

[Replay maximum temperature?]

I still struggle with the REPLAY mode.

Yesterday for example I tried my new atomizers (a Das Ding clone and a Corona V8 clone) with my Triade DNA250C and with my old Therion DNA75.

On the DNA75 I used them both on Wattage and TC mode, on the DNA250C I used both on REPLAY and TC mode.

Result: In Wattage and/or TC Mode on the DNA75 the taste is much better. More crisp and more flavour.

In REPLAY mode it tastes flat... I also have to raise the Wattage and Temp to get even near a god taste.

When I compare them both on the same Wattage (40 W) and Temp (235°C) there is a big difference in taste (and clouds, for which I don't really care, but it is noticeable).

The coils are on both atomizers simple dual SS304 round material (0,4 mm) and the Ohms are around 0,2 and 0,3.

I even used the same liquid, which is a fruity stuff (VG70/PG30).

It's really frustrating, as I expected much more taste from these atomizers, especially as they are both told to be something "special" in relation to flavour.

Did not have the time yet to compare both mods on the monitor, but will try soon.

But I watched something like 10 wicking videos yesterday and it seems I did nothing wrong in that area.

Any ideas what I can try to get better taste out of them ?

In comaprison to the new atomizers I have no problems whatever when I use my Tsunami GT III or GT IV on both mods.

They taste both great, but I can go about 10 Watts lower on the DNA75 (50 W with TC enabled) to get the same vape as from the DNA250C (60 W with TC and REPLAY enabled) on a single SS304 round wire with 0,17 Ohms).

Both are set to 210 °C and the DNA 250C is set to no Preheat and the REPLAY is set to minimum warmth, no punch.

I compare them with identical settings with the Tsunami GT IV (single coil, SS304 round material, spaced) @ 210 °C, 70 Watts, no Preheat, no Punch, Replay set to minimum warmth.

The only obvious difference I see (despite the different curves they produce) is the difference in the measured Ohms (0,174 vs. 0,182).

There is also a huge effect in comparison to the last escribe version, as the new one is sooooo slow, even the monitor is stopping at some point without reason.

I have to wait for even a minute to get it running.

I also recognized that the 2 mods have different screens in the settings... for example I can not see (or measure) the Ohms on the DNA75 as you see on the pics.

Why is that so different ? I don't think that it should matter which DNA I connect to have the same GUI and settings/possibilities/values.

There should also be no difference when I use the same settings for the same atomizer to (re-)produce the same vape.

Or as someone yesterday in a wick video said: I am a customer, and you can not expect that everyone is a trained technician or electrician, to use these devices (which by the way I am, and even I struggle with it!).

EVERYONE can buy them, so the target should be that also EVERYONE should get a decent vape out of them regardless of his knowledge. Right out of the box I should say.

Without needing a master certificate to handle them properly.

Companies (not only Evolvapour, but also the atomizer manufacturer, mod manufacturer, etc.) should think a moment about this... as the target should be EVERY smoker in the world.

Regardless how sophisticated or intelligent he is in handling these devices.

Just thinking...

 

I also can not deactivate the battery charging on the DNA250C (which is useful when

On the DNA75 I can under the battery options I can set the tick to "This mod uses an external battery charger".

On the DNA250C this is missing.

 

 

Instead I have a dropdown field to choose the charging mode, which also lacks the option to choose an external charger.

At least you should be consistent with the options when you make a software that supports different mods/models.

[Replay maximum temperature?]

4 hours ago, Canadianvape said:

You could be vaping at 800F and it would play it over and over

Really ? Even when the max. Temp of a DNA250C says 600°F ? (according to the manual)

How does that work ?

Sounds dangerous even... especially for a new vaper/user without any experience or knowledge.

[Therion DNA75 outer battery not discharging, how to fix it ?]

@retird

Thanks a lot my friend !

I will study the videos this weekend and see if I can handle it...

[Issues with Replay]

Things got finally sorted out with huge thanks to Vandy Vape Support Team.

In the end the problem seems to be my coil, as we did some tests with a single 10 cm loop.

After that I made 2 new coils in 2 different atomizers, and TC and REPLAY worked fine.

So it was not the wire and not the Triade 205C which caused the problem, but my coil.

We did not discover what exactly was the problem with it, but as I said, as soon as I made new builds, the problem was gone.

But I still wonder what it was... so I don't do the same mistake again.

[Therion DNA75 outer battery not discharging, how to fix it ?]

Hi,

I have a Therion DNA75 and since a while I discovered that the outer battery (the one you put in last) is not discharging. So I only can use the mod with 1 battery now.

My question is, is it fixable ? Is it difficult to do, or do I need special tools for that ? I still love that mod and it was not cheap when I bought it, so I like to get it fixed.

I am an IT-System Electronics by profession, so I think I can handle some wire fixing if that is the problem.

Also, is there any information out there how to open/disassemble that thing to get to the needed area ? Maybe some graphics/manuals ?

Thanks in advance for any help on that !

[Coil builds. What works with Replay?]

Things got solved thanks to Vandy Vape Support Team.

Something was wrong with my first coil, so after the test with the big loop coil, I made 2 new coils in different atomizers with that wire, and now REPLAY works fine on both.

Can't explain exactly what was wrong with the first build, but something was...

So... even after a year there seems to be a learning curve for me.

😉

[Vandy Vape SS316L Fused Clapton Wire (24ga*2+32ga)]

I worked together with Vandy Vape support to find out what is wrong, and we found out that it was my buil that created the problem with REPLAY.

So I can now confirm that this wire is indeed working with REPLAY and TC.

Sorry for the first misleading post, just ignore it.

I made 2 new coil builds with support of the Vandy Vape Support Team on different atomizers and both work fine without problems in TC and REPLAY on my Triade DNA250C.

So I like to give a shoutout and a big thank you to the good supporters @ Vandy Vape for their patience and help !

PS: If there is an admin following this, maybe you can remove the first post, so people do not get confused ?

[Issues with Replay]

16 hours ago, retird said:

So the coil works in Power Mode? So the coil works in TC Mode?  But not in Replay?    What are the settings of the Profile you are using? 

Its a 0,33 Ohm single coil (stable measurement), I run it on 40 Watts, with SS316L as wire configuration.

REPLAY says Available, but Ready and Active are disabled,

PREHEAT says Enabled, 60W and Temp. 179°C.

Punch is about half of the indicator.

Vape is nice, not hot, only thing missing is the REPLAY. It says NO REPLAY.

I also tried SS304 and SS316, no change.

Other simple round coils work fine on the Triade DNA250C, only this specific wire does not.

I also changed the security setting about accepting other coils, but no change.

No idea what is wrong, my bet is on the wire, but its a pure SS316L, so I really do not understand what the problem is.

Should work... or has REPLAY problems with thicker wires ? Because its the only "fancy" coil I use in the moment.

I am also in contact with Vandy Vape support and we are working on it. But their staff is a little bit difficult because their english is quite crappy 😉

[Triade DNA250 and VTC5]

my gutt and your approval is proof enough for me...

👍

[Triade DNA250 and VTC5]

Thanks,...

I always can rely on my gutt,... good to know 😉

...and congrats to your 1st post  *hehe*

Me myself started today as well... guess that makes us the newbies...

Welcome !

(still try to work things out... for example where can I edit my signature for my posts ?)

grazie ;-