Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Hey I'm new to the forum and fairly new to DNA mods. Looking for some help with a issue I'm having. My RDA reads 0.13ohms on my VaporShark DNA250 with 3S Lipo Pack. But when I put it on my Rebel DNA250/167 it reads 0.16ohms this mod uses 2 18650's. I tried to be as detailed as possible for the best answer. Is this an issue that I can fix? Or is it not a big deal and ignore it? Thank you. Edited July 29, 2017 by Fabian9988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Fire up escribe. For the MOD tab to appear - Options (menu bar) -> User Interface -> Manufacture Go to 'Mod' tab. What is the 'Mod Resistance' value for each mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 20 minutes ago, Wayneo said: Fire up escribe. For the MOD tab to appear - Options (menu bar) -> User Interface -> Manufacture Go to 'Mod' tab. What is the 'Mod Resistance' value for each mod? VaporShark is 0.007 ohms Rebel is 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 So your Rebel has not been setup. Search the forum for giz_method mod resistance and hopefully you'll find it. Otherwise I'll find it and send you a link tomorrow. It'll take about 15 minutes tops to find and set (10 of 'em to make sure your coil is back at ambient temperature. Your still perfectly fine to use your mod. Mod resistance calibration (giz method) without pictures A coil will work, but the Test is best run with about a 4in. - 6in. piece of TC wire across an RDA build decks posts. (like a baseball shape, not a coil) In Escribe (mod tab), set Mod Resistance to 0. In wire profile, Power = 1 Temp = 0 / Preheat temp = 1 preheat Punch = 1 Preheat Time Limit = 0. Upload To Device ... attach deck with coil or wire to mod ...pulse (quick) fire to get mod to check cold ohms (if new coil question asked, answer yes) Run Atomizer Analyzer ... allow wire to cool back to room temperature (extremely important) & subtract the Cold Ohms from the Raw Ohms The difference will be the Mod Resistance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 36 minutes ago, Wayneo said: So your Rebel has not been setup. Search the forum for giz_method mod resistance and hopefully you'll find it. Otherwise I'll find it and send you a link tomorrow. It'll take about 15 minutes tops to find and set (10 of 'em to make sure your coil is back at ambient temperature. Your still perfectly fine to use your mod. Mod resistance calibration (giz method) without pictures A coil will work, but the Test is best run with about a 4in. - 6in. piece of TC wire across an RDA build decks posts. (like a baseball shape, not a coil) In Escribe (mod tab), set Mod Resistance to 0. In wire profile, Power = 1 Temp = 0 / Preheat temp = 1 preheat Punch = 1 Preheat Time Limit = 0. Upload To Device ... attach deck with coil or wire to mod ...pulse (quick) fire to get mod to check cold ohms (if new coil question asked, answer yes) Run Atomizer Analyzer ... allow wire to cool back to room temperature (extremely important) & subtract the Cold Ohms from the Raw Ohms The difference will be the Mod Resistance.. Thanks I'll give this a try tomorrow. I don't have to use TC only wore right? Kanthal will work also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 For the test mod resistance calibration you need to use TC wire - of course your mod will also work with Kanthal coils Please make sure that both mods are using the same wire material curves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: For the test mod resistance calibration you need to use TC wire - of course your mod will also work with Kanthal coils Please make sure that both mods are using the same wire material curves! Ok I guess I'll have to go grab some TC wire from a local shop. I'll only be doing this calibration on the Rebel mod since it shows 0 and was not done to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 In the end you will find out that it is (mostly) 0,003 Ohms of mod resistance (like my Boxer) - for exact results you also should do the case analyze ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: In the end you will find out that it is (mostly) 0,003 Ohms of mod resistance (like my Boxer) - for exact results you also should do the case analyze ! What is the case analyze ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: Ok thanks for all the help guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 vor 1 Minute schrieb Fabian9988: Ok thanks for all the help guys! You´re always welcome! (b.t.w i´m not a specialist - so following my tips is on your own risk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Lowbytes said: You´re always welcome! (b.t.w i´m not a specialist - so following my tips is on your own risk) So in order for my Rebel mod to read the same as the VaporShark that was tested correctly the Rebel needs to be at 0.019 ohm mod resistance. Is that normal or a high number? Edited July 29, 2017 by Fabian9988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 0,019 ohm????? Normally you use a copper tool to read the internal mod resistance - the copper will shorten the 510 connector with no external resistance - so your measurement will only read the internal resistance of the wire - 510 connector - usually it will come out with 0,003 ohms - this 0,003 ohms are part of the total resistance measured with an attached atomizer - if your atomizers coil is 0,16 Ohms you´ll have a total resistance of 0,163 Ohms - the DNA knows that the 0,003 Ohms are not the part of the coil resistance - So without copper tool you´ll never get 100% accurateness - the lower the numbers of the mod (mod resistance) the better it is. But thats my interpretation of the function - as i told you i´m not an expert - stay tuned until someone from evolve follows and answer your question............or someone else here in the forum Regards Mikel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: 0,019 ohm????? Normally you use a copper tool to read the internal mod resistance - the copper will shorten the 510 connector with no external resistance - so your measurement will only read the internal resistance of the wire - 510 connector - usually it will come out with 0,003 ohms - this 0,003 ohms are part of the total resistance measured with an attached atomizer - if your atomizers coil is 0,16 Ohms you´ll have a total resistance of 0,163 Ohms - the DNA knows that the 0,003 Ohms are not the part of the coil resistance - So without copper tool you´ll never get 100% accurateness - the lower the numbers of the mod (mod resistance) the better it is. But thats my interpretation of the function - as i told you i´m not an expert - stay tuned until someone from evolve follows and answer your question............or someone else here in the forum Regards Mikel Yeah I ordered one of the tools last night. So once it's get here I'll be able to do the proper test. I just figured my VaporShark DNA250 is showing true ohms since they actually did the resistance test to get the 0.007 that shows in eScribe. Where as the Rebel showed 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 So - one more try - i´ll take a look into your problem - can you please upload your ecig file of both mods - maybe we can discover whats up............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: So - one more try - i´ll take a look into your problem - can you please upload your ecig file of both mods - maybe we can discover whats up............ Idk how to do that lol. Sorry Edited July 29, 2017 by Fabian9988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Normally Boxer/Rebel using Fat Daddy 510 connectors - for me the best 510 - so if you have problems to tighten the atomizer completely the problem is related to the threading of the atomizers 510 ----SMOK crap? Sorry - maybe others having different experiences with SMOK Atomizers ...... i do´nt like them - to much trouble ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 18 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: Normally Boxer/Rebel using Fat Daddy 510 connectors - for me the best 510 - so if you have problems to tighten the atomizer completely the problem is related to the threading of the atomizers 510 ----SMOK crap? Sorry - maybe others having different experiences with SMOK Atomizers ...... i do´nt like them - to much trouble ;-) I have 3 mods and they all read off from the VaporShark. Reload RTA, Goon V1.5 and Cosmonaut RDA. All good quality atomizers. Idk what 510 is on the Rebel but it seems they out a black plasticish type thing over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 So it might be the black version of the fat daddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayneo Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Fabian9988 said: Rebel needs to be at 0.019 ohm mod resistance. Is that normal or a high number? Seems very high compared to the mods I own. Your VS was probably just populated from the values obtained from a batch, but you can test it using this method to validate, after setting it to 0 and then uploading. AA has not worked for me with the copper shorting tool since Feb 2016 on any 2xx series board, first going down to .006 followed by a ?. Now with the latest escribe v1.2 sp5.2, it goes down to .005 IIRC, without ever a ? 27 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: take a look into your problem - can you please upload your ecig file of both mods - maybe we can discover whats up............ Wondering what you'll look at here? 20 minutes ago, Fabian9988 said: Where on the Rebel I can't screw my RDA down as much and seems it's not making as strong of a connection Aren't your thoughts backwards here? You can bottom out the VS, but you cannot on the Rebel, meaning you're guaranteed a stronger connection on the Rebel. I'll defer to @Lowbytes who has the entire German community behind him, and even @LeeWB3 here, the creator of those 4 fine calibration videos. My last comment .......... a lower than actual value, or 0, is better than an incorrect high value 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 i´m just a user with limited knowledge - i´m still learning........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, Lowbytes said: So it might be the black version of the fat daddy Yes it looks like the black on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbytes Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 If mounted correctly it should be fine......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian9988 Posted July 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, Wayneo said: Seems very high compared to the mods I own. Your VS was probably just populated from the values obtained from a batch, but you can test it using this method to validate, after setting it to 0 and then uploading. AA has not worked for me with the copper shorting tool since Feb 2016 on any 2xx series board, first going down to .006 followed by a ?. Now with the latest escribe v1.2 sp5.2, it goes down to .005 IIRC, without ever a ? Wondering what you'll look at here? Aren't your thoughts backwards here? You can bottom out the VS, but you cannot on the Rebel, meaning you're guaranteed a stronger connection on the Rebel. I'll defer to @Lowbytes who has the entire German community behind him, and even @LeeWB3 here, the creator of those 4 fine calibration videos. My last comment .......... a lower than actual value, or 0, is better than an incorrect high value Ok I'll set it back to 0 in escribe and when the copper 510 tool gets here see what it comes up with. Obviously the 0.03 difference between the 2 doesn't bother me. I just was confused as to why the same board would show different results. Now that I've learned about the whole internal mod resistance and setting it I can see why they are off. I was just worried my new Rebel may have had an issue. I've already learned a good amount of info here. Thanks everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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